Age Gaps

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  • #17877
    Christopher
    Participant

    After reading through this thread, I am surprised that it’s not until Aster’s post that the obvious is mentioned, and shocking how it remained largely invisible throughout: follow your heart. If you’re in love, neither statistics ‘nor birth rate probabilities ‘nor socio-economic commentaries will matter.

    You can’t approach the most important relationship you’re ever meant to cultivate like you’re a war strategist. The multitude of information is meant to provide more informed management of whatever situation your soul guides you into with whomever was sent to share it with you. Instead, it’s being used as some sort of Thomas Guide toward some manner of scientifically supported relationship. Which is just, weird. Lol.

    Plenty of nominally conception age men and women have given birth to many a child who suffered from this or that affliction. Forget not, the sum of the thorn in the side of Israel was borne out of not only out of a sense of doubt and perhaps impatience by Abraham & Rebecca, but from a fear that God would not deliver them to a child of their own due to their exceeding age. Through this single error, the land Caanan became filled with the seeds of A&R’s doubt, causing the oldest, long standing conflicts on Earth to this day.

    If God is against your plans, the way you’re going about your business, or otherwise opposed to a bad idea, who can be for it? What Science can deliver you from the teeth of God’s opposition? None other than His grace.

    If you want that old love, get it. Keep the faith as you add to your brood and take your vitameatavegimins, drink your distilled water, and do right by your little ones and by God.

    Starting a family being reduced to scientific notions of breeding stock is again, just, weird though lol…

    #17814
    Aster
    Participant

    My point was a little incomplete and only really replying to the posts on the 4th page that I read lol, but I was trying to get across the multitude of variables involved besides the age of the man or woman involved. Life is so complex, and still mysterious in spite of big science, and unexpected circumstances arise despite the ideals envisioned.

    #17813
    Aster
    Participant

    I say, follow your heart, instead of relying on statistics for which sex could die earlier/become senile or who could be infertile. There are many exceptions to manmade rules. We need as much hope as we can get, anyway. Hopelessness is the mind-killer. I think many of us have our heart in the right place.

    Women who want to have kids will sometimes obsess over the disappointing stats they’re presented with and how they’re treated as “geriatric mothers” in their mid-thirties, and then the next day an obscure study or a friend will topple the science. I have a link on my profile about women’s egg quality because of this. I’m not against reason and experience, mainly just defeatist statistics, I guess.

    #17680
    EastNordid
    Participant

    I suppose in this thread ’age gap’ means ten or more years age difference.

    If one inspects old data on marriages in Europe/NA (how things used to be) a four-/five-year gap with the husband being older was the norm.

    Also at the end of life, a gap of ~eight years or more becomes apparent in terms of energy levels. Imo, this would create friction in the marriage esp. if the husband would become confined to his bed/ a ’vegetable’ due to illness, then later die and the wife would have to endure a long period of widowhood.

    As for my extended family: either the men are older by six years or the women are three years older (it happens). Usu. if the woman is slighly older, that is an indication that the man is mature for his age compared to his same-age peers.

    #17671
    Tradiman
    Participant

    Replying to wolfs #14222.
    If we consider knowledge by blood, or “Blood memory is the thoughts, feelings, and wisdom of the ancestors of one’s own specific culture, totem, or clan,” then the experience and knowledge of the older wiser male would by default carry to the children.

    Take my family.
    I said I would be something different but was drawn to the trades.

    I just knew how to do some things, not because I was taught, but because it was in the blood I.e even if I had never done something i could figure out how to do so. If I wanted to.
    Maternal Grandfather had studied, and got certified in carpentry, auto mechanics, refrigeration, welding etc. also did leather work. there was literally nothing he couldn’t do.
    He made his own vehicle disabling anti-theft device, and alarm in the early 1970’s.

    My Father was the same.

    I ended up finding myself drawn to carpentry, have worked as auto machinist, small engine repair, and mechanic without formal training.

    Most seemed to just come naturally.

    A passion of mine is making buckskin, and own clothes from it. love of which derived from grandfather telling me how it was made, watching him do leather work.

    Now, even though, due to my early bad choice in a spouse my son was moved to other side of country, and kept from me yet as side job evenings and weekends he does carpentry and mechanical work because he enjoys it. Love, and knowledge of which could only be said to come from blood knowledge, that is it’s in the genes.

    At one time older men were sought out, and they had to prove themselves eligible through experience.

    Basically experience of man is carried over.

    Ageism; discrimination by age: only came about in approximately last 60 years.

    My step dads mother and father were 18 years age difference.
    My EX wife’s mother and father were 20 years age difference.

    Older people I knew growing up were up to 30 years difference in age.

    Their ideal was the man went to work and bought land, built a house to show he would/could be a good provider, and protector then he went looking for a wife.
    By said time he had 8+ years without a family to prove he could, and would work to provide income, and build a nest egg.

    With todays ageism where not “supposed” to be more than couple years difference in age is one reason so many relationships fail.

    There is no nest egg. Couples fight over money. Man hasn’t proven he can make it through the trials etc.

    I got a wife at young age, BUT I had already been working for 7 years, and on my own for 4 years.

    Also when times get tough how resourceful is the man?!

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by Tradiman.
    #17355
    deckenfarbe
    Participant

    I’d say dissuading men from having children does not mean that the woman in question will have more and better children with someone else, and in fact, there is imho a significant probability of her having less and/or worse children with some non-white guys. Therefore, this is not a good idea. If we were a white-only society, where an older white man would displace a younger white man, the argument would be valid, but I am much more in favour of a white man of any age displacing a non-white man, period.

    #17354
    deckenfarbe
    Participant

    My parents had a 2 year age gap and had massive issues.

    Btw, medical advice for women is that they have their children preferably between 20 and 30, as the risk of birth defects goes up tenfold after 30, another tenfold after 35, and another twofold after 40.

    For men, to the best of my knowledge, their risk of birth defects, mostly bad hearing or deafness, rises by about 35% at the age of 50.

    It’s also obvious why this is so:

    Women are born with all the eggs they’ll ever have, and accumulate defects due to alcohol, cigarettes, medication and what-not, so the chances of getting a bad egg rises the later you’re getting in life. For men, sperm is made “fresh” every day, and the quality mostly depends on the sperm-making process.

    #17134
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    My parents had a 20 year age gap between them, my dad being the elder obviously. It freaked me out personally since everybody thought he was my grandpa, and it’s really showing it’s flaws now that he’s in his 80’s and going senile, whilst my mom is still a very peppy, energetic 65.

    I’m not totally against age-gaps, I’m 26 and would preferably like a chick who’s maybe 19 to 22, and let’s say I’m in my mid 30’s and still single, I’d probably aim for a 22 to 26-year-old, but there is something to be said about growing old together. The fact that my mom was learning how to talk and walk while my dad was in his early 20’s just getting out of the army and running a gym is super surreal to me.

    I dunno, maybe some people can make it work, but it’s not for me.

    #16132
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Currently interested in a man 18.5 years older than me. I’m unsure about having children with him. Men not having a natural biological clock like women isn’t necessarily a good thing. They tend to die younger, have more serious health issues. It’s not just about having children it’s about being around to raise them. My dad died when I was 24 and could never do much with me because of his serious health issues and frailty.

    #15894
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @la_femme_française Way too large of a gap imo. My parents have that sort of age gap and it’s been the source for a lot of their issues.

    #15891
    la_femme
    Participant

    “ But the number of men here vs. the number of women here makes it easy pickings for the ladies.”

    If it’s easy pickings, every woman on this site should not be single anymore. The math isn’t hard.

    Any opinions on an 18-20 year age gap?

    #15888
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Generally the age gap shouldn’t be so great to the point where the man is old enough to be the woman’s father, then it just becomes perverse. But a man in his late 20’s to mid 30’s being with a 19-24 y/o woman isn’t bad, if anything it’s ideal since the man is old and mature enough to have his shit together and the woman is in her prime child-rearing age, yet the gap isn’t so great that the two can’t relate or bond on an emotional level.

    I sorta look at it as me being a kind of big brother to my woman, if that doesn’t sound weird.

    #15887
    la_femme
    Participant

    Reply to OP-

    As old as you are and you feel entitled to women who are young enough to be your daughter? Good luck getting past their protective fathers.

    #15494
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m in my forties (healthy and capable of many sirings) and looking for a reasonably younger woman but it’s purely for procreative reasons and nothing more. I didn’t make the laws of nature, God did. Men and women have different timelines so it’s of no use to anyone to disregard these things, even if uncomfortable for some. On top of this many people’s timelines have been screwed up due to social norms changing from the advent of feminism, etc. We should be patient and take into account these things. Obviously I would have liked to have this all in place earlier but it didn’t happen and it is what it is. So I see no problem with age gaps unless it’s someone with lustful and degenerate sexual reasons or an act of vanity that they want someone way younger. The hang ups about it seem social more than rational, people’s programming runs deep in many ways…in any event I prefer the company of older more mature women but like I said nature doesn’t really care about that. We should be encouraging all capable White people to get married and procreate and not get bogged down in superficialities imho.

    I also agree with some of the statements made here that women are capable of having children in their forties and even fifties. Might be a bit of a crapshoot lol but with the right considerations made I’m sure it’s possible. At the end of the day we all want, need, and deserve to be surrounded by kiddos and doggos so all possible avenues to make this happen should be considered and encouraged.

    On a side note, this seems to be a fairly western women issue as the Eastern Europeans I interact with seemingly have no hangups with the issue.

    #14560
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Reply to OP-

    It depends on how big the age difference is. My initial instincts would be to attribute the North American creep factor to feminism, but even if that is the case, at some point the age gap does trend into genuinely creepy territory; an obvious example being a 20-something woman marrying a senior citizen. Whether it’s gold-digging or genuine love, it doesn’t feel right. My limit would personally be 20y.

    I would surmise that feminists perceive large age gaps as a remnant artifact of past oppression when women were forced to marry older men against there will to uphold the patriarchy whereas sexually liberated and empowered women would obviously choose any strapping, young buck over that boring “older” man her parents would have had her marry. Marrying the older man with a proven track record of responsibility and a capacity to provide would be the pragmatic thing to do, but women are notoriously sensitive to peer pressure. So even if the individual woman isn’t actually all that opposed to the idea personally, she’ll go for the young buck without a penny to his name, so as to avoid being a social pariah. Depends on the social culture she finds herself in.

    #14543
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    As a woman I feel like being on WD past April 20th would be decadence.

    #14540
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The Left’s reaction to a decent-looking, somewhat older guy who follows the “half my age plus 7 rule.”:

    “WTF?! That’s practically pedophilia! She was 14 ten years ago!”

    The Left’s reaction to older men grooming underage boys for sex:

    “Wow, it’s such a beautiful and natural thing! More of this, please!”

    I scroll down and randomly see women who were on this site when I was last here 2-3 years ago. Sure, I’m here, too. But the number of men here vs. the number of women here makes it easy pickings for the ladies. It’s always going to be a much bigger challenge for men, whether it be in Clown World or on this site. And somehow you are still single. Pull yourself together and stop falling for Jewish tricks.

    #14487
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    If the woman has children with a man until he is in his 60s, because it’s a larger family, what are the health implications for that last child conceived, because it takes time to have 8-10 kids? I’m not asking to shoot down age gaps, I’m asking because I’m consider it for a larger family plan where you have to think about not just the first child, but the last.

    #14485
    Wolff
    Participant

    @Sara

    Yes, I agree that sperm degrades as time goes on. The information I have learned however seems to indicate that a man’s sperm does not degrade like eggs do. Meaning, if a man is embodying his full potential and giving his gift to the world the best his genetics will allow his sperm will not degrade as it is constantly being made new and old recycled or expelled. The sperm of a fat slob that doesn’t do anything in his life and is 23 is far inferior to that of a man in his prime and hitting every goal he has regardless of obstacles and is 45. Yes it is more likely to be degraded in the older man but that’s not always the case in men.

    #14422
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    A man who has eaten a nutrient dense, animal based diet, with fat and other organ meats would, I believe, be able to have healthy off-spring for longer than a man his age eating a modern junk food or vegan diet. I would like to see more research on this.

    #14421
    Oscar
    Participant

    I say, men getting into there late 40s should stay out of the breeding game,

    Men of that age will probably study your opinion with all the care it deserves, and then make their own choice, as did my maternal great- and grand-fathers who had children at that age, all perfectly healthy, and without whom I would not be here to discuss it.

    The idea that male and female fertility can be associated in a parallel scheme, and thus project onto one the medical problems recognised in the others, is pure nonsense

    Had you taken care to read your own links, you would have seen that the first one is nothing but a fertility business that is there to convince you to pay him a lot of shekels to protect you from a rather imaginary risk.

    the first of the arguments they cite is that the risk of a child with an older father being malformed increases because …. these guys are most often with older women.

    There is a whole crypto-feminist discourse aimed at, if not denying, at least eroding a little bit, this fundamental inequality: men do not have menopause.

    and from your second source – which is a real scientific study :

    Over the age group we found an increase from 0.2 to 0.4 percent in the frequencies of diploidy

    it’s the same than saying you should be mandatory-vaxxed because of risk to die from the chink batvirus when you’re 20.

    The main argument with older parents is that they won’t have the same the only real argument against older parents is that they won’t have the dynamism that younger parents would have, which means that there is a different relationship, with disadvantages but also advantages.

    no configuration is ideal, contrary to what some people seem to think, and anyway parenthood is not breeding labradors.

    (even if labradors are cool)

    #14415
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    What we are saying when we say “I am not willing to marry x.” is “I would rather be single than marry x.”

    Maybe in the back of our minds we are also thinking “I’m sure I can find someone who isn’t x”, but at then end of the day that is just calculating or betting, because we don’t actually know the future.

    Every woman decides at what point dating someone older becomes undesirable, and going into that decision for an informed and self-aware woman who cares about the next generation is considerations about the health and care of her future offspring, if she is planning to have children.

    #14410
    Oscar
    Participant

    The sheer number of views I get on POF… I can only assume they never make it past my first paragraph

    maybe it’s not that smart to begin some interaction with anybody with a rant about the vax ?

    What are your chances of convincing anyone with a vague paragraph on a dating site profile – where women are over-stimulated because they are outnumbered, completely at odds with biological reality – a paragraph that goes totally against the grain of all the social validation systems (media, authorities, friends) that this person has been facing in everyday life for almost two years now?

    None, right? So why do it? Probably because like many people, you prefer to please yourself by voicing your opinions than to convince opponents whose opinions you can with a little subtlety change – many of which are simply social conformity.

    women are biologically more inclined to follow social conformity. this has nothing to do with lower intelligence as some grotesque incels think, but simply because their biology conditions them to a stronger importance of the group for their own survival.

    However, if a woman can find the conditions of her own security in another environment, including one that is in opposition to the prevailing dogma, then she will do so – the woman naturally considers situations from a material and pragmatic point of view rather than a theoretical one: this is again an effect of her biology (fatherhood is a simple concept for a man, it is a lot of pain for a woman). I have never seen a woman refuse to change her views when it was consistent with her perception that adhering to a new point of view would increase her security and that of her offspring – existing or future.

    #14409
    Oscar
    Participant

    Side note, our race is not being out bred, look up the stats

    In no White countries is the number of (native) births at least equal to the replacement level. We ARE in a phase of extinction, slow, it is true, but still extinction that is added to a second phenomenon called to have an even more rapid impact: the presence of non-natives on our own soil

    #14365
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    All women need to consider the health of the next generation though and that is going to involve following natural instincts.

    #14364
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Women are only able to have children for a set amount of time. That is why men as they age are going to be attracted to women younger and younger than them, especially in nationalism where the aim is to have children. The sexual drive is the drive to have children, either consciously or unconsciously. It is what it is.

    #14363
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    LOL, good luck!

    #14362
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’ll be 43 in a few weeks. I follow the “half your age plus 7” rule. As recently as 4 years ago, I had a summertime romance with an 8/10 18 year-old woman. I wanted to give her babies, but she went off to college after the summer and became totally ruined. Many such cases. Sad!

    #14305
    A_Spartan_Speaks
    Participant

    Ha, so I am not worthy of younger women, and I shouldn’t breed? Thanks for the advices. lol

    Though, in my younger days I was a regular donor at a sperm bank so I imagine, in a round about way I have passed on my dna and created some healthy, happy, beautiful, blue eyed European kinder.

    #14297
    A_Spartan_Speaks
    Participant

    In my experience younger women are either really into older guys or they are really turned off by the idea. I’ve also noted that young women in Europe are more likely than young women in North America to be into older guys. And Eastern European women seem to be especially into older guys. Many who are dismissive of large age gaps will say that these young women have “daddy issues” but they never explicitly say what that means.

    #14289
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @fireflygirl
    Good luck to you and I hope your fiance is able to provide for you so you don’t have to work and instead can stay home and raise kids, without you having to work for the next 10 years before having kids

    #14288
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I think it is rude how these old men act on this site, they think they are deserving of young women, but they most certainly aren’t. They are low hanging fruit.

    Old people need to stay in there lane. End of discussion. If you’re 40 dating someone 14 years younger, you’re a cradle robber and a creep. Like wise to women going for young men. End of discussion.

    #14285
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Faustus

    Like I said, nothing wrong with an age gap, just saying from many, many studies, men aren’t invincible, and should have some accountability with age as well. Not a cope, it is a reality with aging for both men and women. Have a nice day.

    #14275
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @summerangel
    The newscientist article cites a study of men who went to the Dr for already having fertility issues. Further, they are not tracking the same man’s sperm as he ages; instead, they are just combining all data for a given age bracket. This study is useless in understanding if a certain man has degraded quality of sperm over the course of his life. It’s just saying that these men that already have fertility issues, have more issues when they are older. Who knows why they have those issues? Cumulative health and environmental factors?

    The other site is garbage, just making claims with no evidence with argument from authority.

    This idea of men being less fertile with age is just a cope from women. Just acknowledge the reality of it and move on instead of trying to apply the principles of equality and make men and women the same in this matter.

    My fiance is 14 years younger than me, and I think 14 is a good number.

    #14262
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @wolff

    Hi Wolff, I agree on your take of females biology clock. But I disagree on your take of male biological clock. Male sperm has been shown to degrade past 25. Yes, a man can still have children at 80, but his chances of having a kid and even said kid having a stronger likelihood of genetic problems rises immensely. Even more likely to cause miscarriage for women, regardless of her age.

    I say, men getting into there late 40s should stay out of the breeding game, but that’s just my opinion. Grain of salt if you will hun.

    https://www.yourfertility.org.au/everyone/age

    Male fertility decline

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929275-500-mens-sperm-quality-decreases-at-age-35/

    #14206
    Dave
    Participant

    “More like terrible advice. Nothing wrong with agreeing with a woman, when it is true.”

    The mark of someone with an inferiority complex, is that they turn every conversation into an argument. It does not matter whether the conversation is merely a talk between friends, a debate for two people to understand each others viewpoints, or someone trying to give advice to lead the listener off a self destructive path.
    For the person with an inferiority complex, there must always be an argument, there must always be a winner an loser of it, and the winner must always be them. They do this to stroke their ego, so that they can tell themselves how intelligent they are, to momentarily relieve and push down their own feelings of inferiority.

    “Side note, our race is not being out bred, look up the stats, you idiots need to stop fear mongering.”
    I’m not an idiot, but even someone who’s legally retarded can see what I say is true. The reason you can’t, is not a mark of your intelligence, it is a mark of your bravery. Which is to say, you are a spineless coward that can’t stomach the horrible reality we live in.
    Here are the stats:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Immigration_and_ethnicity
    The percentage population of the UK in 2001 was 92.12%. In 2011 is was 87.17%. That is a five percent decrease over the course of one decade. Keep in mind, the people that they are forcing on you tend to breed like rats, so the problem is exponential.

    Lets take a look at the USA
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Historical_data_for_all_races_and_for_Hispanic_origin_(1610%E2%80%932020)
    In 1960, the USA was 88.6% white. In 2020 it’s 61.6%. Over a 60 year period, that’s a decrease in population percentage of 25%, or one quarter of the nations population. That is genocide. This is ignoring the fact that illegal aliens are not counted, which means the true percentage population is probably closer to 55%.

    These trends can be observed in almost all western nations, assuming you can even get demographic information about that nation. If you think those trends are just going to magically stop, look at Rhodesia, look at South Africa. It will not stop until we are dead.

    #14222
    Wolff
    Participant

    The female “biological clock” stuff is highly disproven, fear-mongering garbage. I’ve known women who have had several children in their fifties. My friend’s mum stopped with her fourteenth one in her mid fifties. All healthy and attractive children.

    @Danielle, the “wall” or “biological clock” is an all too real phenomenon. It is not fear-mongering but the reality of the world and the genetic code of women in a broad and generalized sense. Of course there are millions of outliers that buck the norm. More personally, I understand why you would want to feel they way you do given your age. I checked your profile. You are a gorgeous, young, physically fit, woman, who will likely have many children hopefully starting soon. Don’t rush it but be aware of the nature of your body working against you. Do not regret what could have been either and only look forward to all the love you’ll feel when you have a family of your own. It will be worth it!

    Vaccines cause infertility and nearly every form of mitochondrial dysfunction and modern disease that the developed countries are dealing with, then when those who are suffering from the poison they were sold are infertile, they get to pay $60,000 per kid for IVF.

    I am completely in agreement with you here. We’ve been continually sold a bill of goods that not only don’t do what they are marketed to do, but often actively harm the participant to become chemically dependent on big pharma. Your head is definitely in the right place here but be warry of correlating the biological reality with the pharmecutical reality too much. The truth likely lies somewhere in the middle.

    Not everyone wants ten children and therefore doesn’t have to start having them with they’re twenty. My uncle had his in his late forties and they’re nearly blindingly-beautiful adults in their mid twenties now. Older parents aren’t necessarily a bad thing, an overwhelming amount of studies show that women in their thirties have healthier-weight, full=term babies and are often in a better financial situation to raise their own children well, as opposed to some dirty, cheap government-subsidized state daycare raising their children while their teenaged parents work double shifts at McDonalds trying to make ends meet.

    Two remarks on your paragraph here. Firstly, the sperm of men does not degrade at the same rate as the eggs of women. Men can and have naturally sired children well into their 80s. This reality is reflected in the dating gaps where older men are often dating and siring children with younger women. This, in my view, is not only perfectly ok but should be sought out by young women. A man needs more time to fully master himself and his brain is not fully developed until around 26-30 years of age and thereby has an inferior quality of sperm until after this period. Women on the other hand are fully developed by the age of 18-24 and also their most fertile period of life. Again, there are millions of outliers on both sides of the male/female dichotomy.

    Secondly, as I stated up above, because of the fact that your uncle was older when he had children it was a definite benefit to his life. I am in complete agreement with you here.

    But as for the romantic side of it, my friend’s parents were thirty years different in age, and they raised several children together. The husband died several decades earlier, and it was hard on them but expected. It’s possible to have a long and happy marriage between two people from different generations, and it is up to personal taste.

    Yep! This is not a rarity though it is becoming more so. To each their own. Good luck and I hope my words have given you hope!

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 10 months ago by Wolff.
    #14217
    Dave
    Participant

    @A_Spartan_Speaks
    “pervert? grandpa? Ok, sonny, you win. Intelligent discourse with you is not possible, good luck to you.”
    Now, don’t go accusing others of exactly what you did, for it’s a very jewish thing to do.
    If you really wanted intelligent discourse, you wouldn’t have started our conversation by putting words in my mouth, and accusing me of spouting mgtow-incel bullshit.

    #14216
    A_Spartan_Speaks
    Participant

    pervert? grandpa? Ok, sonny, you win. Intelligent discourse with you is not possible, good luck to you.

    #14215
    John 1982
    Participant

    Dave, you tell the uncomfortable truth. I cringe every time a older woman try to push her sleeping pillow idea or story of older finacial secure women starting a happy family with just a few kids with downs syndrome.

    #14210
    Dave
    Participant

    @A_Spartan_Speaks
    “There is nothing wrong with women having children in their thirties.”
    Correct, from the start I’ve been saying, if they continue to wait, they won’t be able to have children at all. Likewise, I’ve been saying at their age, they are now limited in the amount of children they can have.

    “It’s mgtow-incel bullshit that pushes the lie that women hit the wall and lose all value after age thirty.”
    Correct, but I’ve never said that, not once, no one here but you has said that. It’s obvious that despite accusing me of saying and believing that, that you actually believe it. Why else would you be looking for others to justify you wanting to date young women, i.e. 18-25 years old? The only other reason I could see why you would want to date women that young is that you are actually a pervert.
    So which are you? A closet mgtow-incel that doesn’t want to date thirty year olds, or a pervert?

    “It’s mgtow-incel bullshit to accuse guys of being simps if they agree with a woman and accuse guys of being cucks if a guy doesn’t think that women should be treated like crap and blamed for everything.”
    No, it’s mgtow-incel bullshit to accuse guys of being simps for agreeing with women under any circumstances.
    It’s accurate to call a man a simp if he’s agreeing with a women who very clearly holds self destructive beliefs.
    Furthermore, I said being a simp makes you look like a cuck. I haven’t treated her like crap, nor have I blamed her for everything. Quite the opposite, in fact. I have told her something she doesn’t want to hear, but needs to hear. To not do so, to not give a damn if she’s on a self destructive path, is to treat her like crap. Lastly, I have not blamed her for everything, in fact I blamed the jew controlled media for her self destructive beliefs, and the jews for orchestrating our genocide.

    “You have some growing up to do”
    You’re chasing tail three decades younger than you, whilst encouraging self destructive behavior in others, in the hopes that it allows you to get some tail.
    Whereas I’m looking for someone to survive the oncoming apocalypses with, spend almost all of my time preparing to survive it, and do everything in my power to ensure my kin are on the path that will ensure their survival.

    I’m not the immature one here grandpa.

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    #14209
    A_Spartan_Speaks
    Participant

    There is nothing wrong with women having children in their thirties. My mom was in her thirties when she gave birth to me and then my sister. It’s mgtow-incel bullshit that pushes the lie that women hit the wall and lose all value after age thirty. It’s mgtow-incel bullshit to accuse guys of being simps if they agree with a woman and accuse guys of being cucks if a guy doesn’t think that women should be treated like crap and blamed for everything. I get accused of this cuck/simp nonsense all the time in comments on my bitchute channel.

    As for me, personally, I have mostly had great experiences with women, and have been in long-term, monogamous relationships for most of my life. I was engaged to be married, twice, but for various reasons didn’t work out. You have some growing up to do, good luck.

    #14208
    Dave
    Participant

    “Dave, I am neither a cuck nor am I a simp. And yes, you sound like a typical mgtow-incel beta-bitch parroting nonsense and stupidity.”

    I’m not mgtow, because if I was, I wouldn’t have said anything, and would have just written off the two thirty year old women above me, as genetic dead ends; and thanks to your efforts, and the efforts of men like yourself, they more than likely still will.

    I’m not an incel, because I’m voluntarily celibate. I’m waiting for marriage, and do you know why I’m waiting for marriage? It’s because I give a damn about who the other half of my kids are. I give a damn about the future beyond myself.

    Now look at yourself, “I have to say that for most of my life I’ve dated women close to my own age.”
    How many of those women were just flings for you? How many of those women could you have tried for a life long relationship with, but chose to keep things “casual” because it was easy?
    You chose to not take the hard path, you chose to engage in meaningless degeneracy. Here you are at the eleventh hour, and rather than adapt to the piss poor situation you put yourself in, you instead insist on continuing to be a degenerate. If you had kept your delusions to yourself, I may be able to forgive you for them, but no, you encourage the delusions of women who are in the same boat as you, and that is unforgivable.

    You may not see this post, my last one is “awaiting moderation.” Granted, it may be because I posted links to back up my claims of the white genocide that is going on around the planet.

    #14207
    Sven
    Participant

    @Dave

    100% Dave, I couldn’t have put it better myself. It baffles my mind how people on the pro white sphere can still fall for the most basic shit. Then again, it is a rather feminine trait to want to believe the soothing lies, rather than face the harsh reality and to figure out what to do with it. And yes, the simping needs to stop

    #14205
    A_Spartan_Speaks
    Participant

    Dave, I am neither a cuck nor am I a simp. And yes, you sound like a typical mgtow-incel beta-bitch parroting nonsense and stupidity.

    #14200
    Abigail
    Participant

    @Dave
    More like terrible advice. Nothing wrong with agreeing with a woman, when it is true. Danielle is not wrong, but it preferred to start younger, 30+ can still have plenty of healthy kids. Older men and women should stick more together, but an occasion age gap isn’t the end of the world for us.

    Side note, our race is not being out bred, look up the stats, you idiots need to stop fear mongering.

    Cheers!

    #14198
    Dave
    Participant

    @A_Spartan_Speaks
    First off, I’m not a part of MGTOW.
    Second off, I don’t want my people to go extinct, which is why I’m here in the first place.

    I, a 24 year old man, am going to give you, a 53 year old man, some of the best life advice you could ever hear.

    STOP SIMPING

    It not only makes you look like a cuck, but you’re also encouraging her self destructive beliefs.

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    #14196
    Dave
    Participant

    @Danielle

    There are two people in this world you should never lie to.
    The first, is the man who understands the way of things in question. For all you will achieve is insulting him.
    The second, is yourself. For just like all lies, it will grow endlessly, until it blocks all view of reality.

    “The female “biological clock” stuff is highly disproven, fear-mongering garbage. ”
    Name one source, I can guarantee you it will be written by a jew.

    “Bad science forces the masses to believe lies.”
    Correct, which is why at every possible turn they are encouraging women to wait to have kids, because they know women will struggle to have children later in life. They know those children are more likely to be born with birth defects. They know the amount of white children in the world will be reduced due to their propaganda. Just like faggotry, just like multiculturalism, just like “free love” being a slut, the propaganda to wait to have children is a form of, and a larger part of an attempt to genocide the white race.
    This is clear and obvious, and the fact you can’t see it is the result of you lying to yourself.

    “Older parents aren’t necessarily a bad thing, an overwhelming amount of studies show that women in their thirties have healthier-weight, full=term babies and are often in a better financial situation to raise their own children well, as opposed to some dirty, cheap government-subsidized state daycare raising their children while their teenaged parents work double shifts at McDonalds trying to make ends meet.”
    Post them, again I can guarantee you most of them are written by jews.
    Anyone who refuses or can’t take the jab, which is very clearly the beginning of the mark of the beast, will be unable to find employment. Likewise, whites have been being barred from jobs that they are overqualified for, and are being replaced by “diversity hires”, it won’t be long until we’re completely barred from employment simply for being white. With the way things are heading, we won’t even be able to work at McDonalds, so waiting so that you are financially secure is pointless. The only security we will have in the future, is that which we directly make for ourselves.

    From your profile: “I’ll note that boring profiles here which begin with, ”I’m looking for a traditional partner to start a giant family with…” aren’t at all appealing. Anyone’s priority for marriage should always be to love and be loved. Someone whose mindset is only in looking for a dog for breeding full litters might make an alright dad, but would probably be a total failure of a husband.”

    A man that wants a large family with you and only you, is a man that is willing to spend every waking moment of his life dedicated to your survival. He would be not only the ideal father but also the ideal husband. Any man that doesn’t want a family with you, or only wants one or two kids, isn’t dedicated to your survival. Which by extension, means he doesn’t care if the physical embodiment of his love for you, i.e. your descendants, continues to exist after your life.

    A man looking for a dog to breed, would convert to a religion that allowed polygamy, get multiple wives, and have twenty or so kids. That’s one of the major reason muslim countries are fucked beyond repair. The men don’t care about their children or wives. Although the same could be said about men in western countries, who choose to have few or no children.

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    #14194
    A_Spartan_Speaks
    Participant

    I agree with Danielle, this notion that women supposedly “hit the wall” and lose all value after age 30 is just nonsensical mgtow/incel stupidity.

    #14191
    John 1982
    Participant

    The positive thing with a honest profile who scares away the sheep is you dont need to waste time on dating before she finds out you dont bend over for trends and sheep mindset.
    Maybe you could red pill her but from my experience Thats a job itself and on the other side her sheep friends and family is fighting against you and your way of thinking…

    #14190
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The female “biological clock” stuff is highly disproven, fear-mongering garbage. I’ve known women who have had several children in their fifties. My friend’s mum stopped with her fourteenth one in her mid fifties. All healthy and attractive children.
    Bad science forces the masses to believe lies. Look at our current satanic agenda billions have been coerced into the last year and a half. Hegelian Dialectic at its finest.
    Vaccines cause infertility and nearly every form of mitochondrial dysfunction and modern disease that the developed countries are dealing with, then when those who are suffering from the poison they were sold are infertile, they get to pay $60,000 per kid for IVF.
    Not everyone wants ten children and therefore doesn’t have to start having them with they’re twenty. My uncle had his in his late forties and they’re nearly blindingly-beautiful adults in their mid twenties now. Older parents aren’t necessarily a bad thing, an overwhelming amount of studies show that women in their thirties have healthier-weight, full=term babies and are often in a better financial situation to raise their own children well, as opposed to some dirty, cheap government-subsidized state daycare raising their children while their teenaged parents work double shifts at McDonalds trying to make ends meet.

    But as for the romantic side of it, my friend’s parents were thirty years different in age, and they raised several children together. The husband died several decades earlier, and it was hard on them but expected. It’s possible to have a long and happy marriage between two people from different generations, and it is up to personal taste.

    #14183
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    That’s a very scientific way of looking at it, Dave. Personally I’d love a large family and I’ve got the capability in all respects to have a whole bunch, the trouble is… Even the ‘want someday’ roasties won’t talk to me… In reality I don’t think they talk to anyone and just use social networks to feed their narcissism.

    The sheer number of views I get on POF… I can only assume they never make it past my first paragraph:

    FIRST THINGS FIRST… It pains me to say that the ‘vaccine’ that people have been taking is an experimental treatment that permanently alters your genetic structure and suppresses your immune system. Until we know more about it and its ability to ‘shed’ to others, I cannot entertain those that have received it. I’m genuinely very sorry.

    It’s getting around 90% here. I got a message the other day from this snaggle-toothed creature that fell out of the ugly tree and looked as dead as her eggs. I say, did you read the first paragraph?

    The return message was ‘ha ha bye’

    The sound that genetic death makes.

    -Mike

    #14182
    Dave
    Participant

    If you marry someone young and only have a couple kids, you’ve hurt the white race as a whole, as you’ve forever reduced the amount of whites that could have been. Or worse, you have a lot of kids and die of old age, or suffer the complications of old age, i.e. dementia, before they are fully grown.

    If you’re going to date women younger then you, stick with those in their early thirties, i.e. women who no longer have the capacity to have large families.

    #14179
    A_Spartan_Speaks
    Participant

    I have to say that for most of my life I’ve dated women close to my own age. But recently, as a middle aged guy in my early fifties, I’ve been attracting much younger women. In Greece, women aged 18-25 are the segment of the population most likely to support Golden Dawn, and I’ve noticed that in Europe many couples in the pro-White sphere consist of older men with women who are much younger. Also, I’ve noticed that women in North America seem less likely to be open to relationships with older guys. I have given it a lot of thought and can’t come up with any reason why these relationships are wrong, or creepy or what not. And I reject the notion that older guys are just looking to prey upon, or manipulate or take advantage of younger women.

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