[AeonKnight]

@Hunter

“I find that pro-White ‘pagans’ frequently hold to essentially ‘strict protestant christian morality.’”

The term “strict” means nothing in itself, and comparing Christian and Pagan morality is laughable. If your problem is “strictness” (or maybe “propriety”?) it also makes no sense since you need dogma to exist: the only question is which position to hold. You’re essentially having a problem with people being overly serious about “truth”.

“This is similar to orthodox hitlerists identifying ‘degenerate’ as essentially the same word as ‘sin’ but with additional pro-White prohibitions (against race-mixing for-example).”

Yes — degenerate is what causes degeneration. Undoing. Again, do you have a problem with Whites being against that which deconstructs them?

“This website also emphasizes ‘tradition’ and tradition in the (formerly) White world is fundamentally either catholic or protestant christian (due to the historical coercive memetic conquest of Europe).”

That I agree with: people think Tradition is 1950s America — well after society had sunk past the point-of-no-return.

“Also, I will strongly recommend that people not identify as ‘pagan’ as that is essentially the same as identifying as a ‘goy.’”

“Pagan” is not a perfect word, but conversations need terms and definitions, and “pagan” is recognisable to most people.

“As for compatibility between those in various christ-cults and those not in a christ-cult, I will say that the man must be the sane one, and the woman must be really submissive, otherwise, the relationship will not last long.”

Agreed. Biology is king here.

[Hunter]

I find that pro-White ‘pagans’ frequently hold to essentially ‘strict protestant christian morality.’ This is similar to orthodox hitlerists identifying ‘degenerate’ as essentially the same word as ‘sin’ but with additional pro-White prohibitions (against race-mixing for-example). This website also emphasizes ‘tradition’ and tradition in the (formerly) White world is fundamentally either catholic or protestant christian (due to the historical coercive memetic conquest of Europe). Also, I will strongly recommend that people not identify as ‘pagan’ as that is essentially the same as identifying as a ‘goy.’ As for compatibility between those in various christ-cults and those not in a christ-cult, I will say that the man must be the sane one, and the woman must be really submissive, otherwise, the relationship will not last long.

[AeonKnight]

@EastNordid

Cheers — I’ll leave some more links for the unthinking Christians:

Greece: https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

Rome: https://youtu.be/7QVh3kj7CjA

[AeonKnight]

@starkvonoben

Ideally yes, but from my personal experience, both online and irl, Christians usually cannot cope since racialism is antithetical to Abrahamic universalism. You can “ignore” that you’re not really following Christianity by adopting Master Morality, but it doesn’t last. Somehow people don’t make the connection that if you worship that which is opposed to Nature, it makes you anti-Nature lol.

@ElizeB

That is one of the most historically illiterate statements I have ever seen. Somehow humanity has managed to survive and evolve while promoting abortion and paedophilia, until 5 minutes ago when a brown Jew who thought he was God came and showed us the error of our European ways. Paganism = Monistic Metaphysics, preserved to us by Plato mostly, NOT 21st century female antifa morality. Embarrassingly incompetent comment.

@Administrator

“Do you want to divide us?”

That is the original design of Christianity, so what would you expect? The only way that the very creation of our enemies can benefit us is by generating anti-fragility.

[EastNordid]

I came to think of this old video:

”debunking the myth of homosexuality in ancient Greece. There are coordinated efforts aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the culture of the ancient Greeks, a global misguided effort, to intentionally present the Ancient Greeks as homosexuals or bisexuals which ignores the plethora of references to the contrary. This video provides evidence that homosexuality in ancient Greece was NOT an accepted act in the ancient society there were strict laws prohibiting homosexual acts. Homosexuality did exist, albeit on the margins of the society.”

[Administrator]

@ElizeB You think Heathens are degenerates by default? And there is no modern degeneracy among Christians? This is a heavy accusation without providing statistical proof. It is divisive and not helpful to find spiritual common ground. Do you want to divide us?

[Anonymous]

Starkvonoben. Isnt a simple question… by example Pagan people promote abortion, contraceptive methods and degenerated lifestyles on sex(pedophile, homossexuality, like did Greeks and many pagan people in the past). These concepts are really conflictive with a christian doctrine.

[starkvonoben]

Could it be as simple as two pro-whites who are on the same page on everything except their religious beliefs could choose to put their relationship and the racial struggle first?

[PrometheanFlame]

@AeonKnight

Haha yeah I know the kind of chicks you’re talking about. They can be fun to hang out with sometimes, but most of them are overweight. I got nothing against dancing in the forest, crystals or chakras haha! Some of them are naive, but so is everyone at some point and in some way. Most groups, especially ones the public can join, are trash 99% trash.

[AeonKnight]

@PrometheanFlame

Oh, yeah, man — a good 95% of people I’ve talked to about Paganism (irl and online) think it’s women dancing in the forest, magic crystals and chakras lol. There are even a few youtube channels that do tranny apologism justified by some nonsensical interpretations. Pure madness.

Take care!

[AeonKnight]

@Ida

“Pagan” really is an unhelpful term, so I’ll just make a quick comment:

Paganism =/= Naturalism (unless you are talking about 1980s New Age inventions). “Pagans” reject the Abrahamic secularisation of metaphysics, but it is still “pagan” in the sense that it comprises both meta and material as two sides of the same coin. Rejecting the meta is the original sense of “atheism”, not rejecting a specific creator, much less the Jewish one.

Cheers!

[Ida]

There is no god, so I think both ways of believing are not based in reality. That said, the pagan ways make most sense because they are more tied to the earth and therefore to humans and natural cycles.

I grew up in a Christian community and it seems a Christian will never let a white person be unless he/she believes in an Abrahamic god or the person is a brown-skinned Hindu born in a foreign land. Any time you have a moment of weakness, they will witness to you. They must think that fellow Christians don’t have moments of weakness (get upset or down).

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[Ted]

As the opening post alludes, A Christian-Pagan pairing can work if they don’t take their spiritualism so seriously that they must project it onto others. Given modern living, it’s easy to not make your belief system the center of your life. Thus, it’s not opposing faiths that must be avoided, but opposing zealotries.

@PrometheanFlaem
On the matter of Paganism as reactionary:
When Christianity was still in it’s “Woke” phase, after it took over the Roman urban centers, “Pagan” was coined as a slur for rural, ethnically Roman, worshipers of the old state gods. Christianity was the new thing, comprised of diverse peoples attracted to the wealth and easy living of the great cities (that they’d never have been able to conquer with force, but were simply let in), united by an emotionally manipulative belief system, and who stood in their way of total domination? Those rural, Roman farmers that clung to the old gods. Damned Reactionaries!

So, just as how today the Wokist sees the rural, White, Christian as a reactionary standing in the way of “social change”, at one point that same dynamic played out between Christians and Pagans.

[PrometheanFlame]

@AeonKnight

I feel like I missed something important here. When did paganism become a meme of a coping feminist? lol
I have been loosely associated with the broader pagan community for nearly a decade now and I can say that they indeed come in all colors, shapes and sizes: including overweight, coping feminists being common. They all get to pretend they’re the high priestess of some imaginary magical order and the chosen bride of an immortal god. Lots of princesses. That’s not all of them though. I’ve met some real badasses and people you truly would not want to trifle with, too. Scary mf’ers. “Paganism” itself is really just a banner. Soooo many groups within it and most of them don’t agree with each other. Anyone really can call themselves a pagan.

[AeonKnight]

@Hunter

I agree with @PrometheanFlame. Again the meme that “Pagan” is a coping feminist lighting candles and dancing in the woods. People hardly had a name to describe their practices as a “religion” because it was just part of being who they were — blood and soil. Are Pagans “reacting” to something that was invented tens of thousands of years after their traditional practices? Unless you’re some Satanist faggot trying to be edgy, they’re just trying to connect to what actual Europeans did.

[PrometheanFlame]

@WillOfEuropa

“Pagan” does not mean anything that doesn’t worship the Christian god. By that definition then even atheists and agnostics could be considered pagan, but lo they are not.

If a pagan man tried to marry a christian woman or vica versa, you really think it could work? If by “zealot” you mean they actually practice their faith and are more than just superficially devoted to their respective god(s), just giving lip service and making an appearance on Sunday for social credit, then I agree. Then again, it’s ultimately up to the two people themselves to determine that and find what works.

Heathens in general aren’t mired in the moral dilemmas of enjoying one’s body and experiencing pleasure, unlike christianity whose dogma thinks that anything resulting in pleasure should be considered shameful. Christians are just as hedonistic, the only difference is they feel guilty and ashamed of themselves when they’re done.

@Hunter

Are you suggesting that anyone who self-identifies as a pagan is simply reacting to christianity? That’s almost as delusional as the christians who think that all who self-identify as a satanist or luciferian must solely be reactionary to christian theology. Not the case. Not everything has to be a submission to or counter-reaction to a perverted, relatively new and manmade religious doctrine. Christians love to make it about themselves. “He’s not a christian, so that must mean whatever spiritual path he follows is only because he’s reacting to it.” Nonsense!

[Hunter]

Not compatible. The best you could do is create a new ‘reformed’ Christianity, including an edited ‘bible’ that lacks all general anti-pagan content. That would require simply deleting a great deal of the ‘bible.’ By the way, ‘pagan’ is to Christians essentially what ‘goyim’ is to Jews. Anyone self-identifying as ‘pagan’ is simply a reactionary.

[Anonymous]

“Pagan” just means anything that doesn’t worship the Christian god.
I see heathenism mistaken for hedonism a lot. There’s no reason a heathen and a christian can’t work as a couple, other than one or both being zealots for their respective religions.

[Anonymous]

@PrometheanFlamed I think it really would depend on the person for me. I think a Christian in many cases could be compatible with a white Muslim woman. I think monotheists are just generally more compatible. I for one do not like Catholicism because of its death worship cultism. I also do not like religions that pray to female deities, like Mary mother of Jesus. I do not like witchcraft. I have high respect for ancestor worshippers. I have no problems with pagans in general, there are just some pagans that are incompatible. I am sure a pagan can also find a sect of paganism that he is repulsed by. Same with Christians, I find some Christians more loathesome than some pagans, I have met pagans that were better than some Christian women. First and foremost for me is lineage. I want children made in my image and likeness.

[PrometheanFlame]

@EastNordid

That’s a good point. The child will naturally absorb information and energy from their parents, so it definitely affects the development of the child in a significant way. Caution must be used though because the mind of a child is delicate. Exposing it too early to spiritual forces can be detrimental even if the parents believe it is good for them. It is best to lead by example and not force the child into a spiritual or religious paradigm. When they are mature enough and have developed critical thinking, they can decide for themselves which path is most appropriate for them. It’s not something that should ever be forced or mandated. The biggest complaint I see from children who were raised in highly religious households is that they felt pressured and forced to accept the family’s religion. The result is backfire and rebellion to regain their sense of individuality and autonomy.

@A_Spartan_Speaks

I tend to agree. I find Christianity to be antithetical to nature, and it’s view of all humans as despicable creatures worthy of hell and in need of some external savior to be equally deranged and unhealthy. It relies on shaming tactics and fear to generate converts and fill the pews. I am human and am not ashamed of it, I embrace it. Christians seem to be so quick to deny themselves of their human nature out of shame and ignorance, or simply choose to abdecate responsibility for it altogether because they are too lazy, psychologically and spiritually immature to claim ownership of it. They demand a savior and one appears, leading to stagnation as they cower in their tents on the side of the mountain, content not to summit because someone else already did it for them. Autonomy, self-determination, embrace of instincts and importance of the genomic self are nowhere to be found in their “values”. The detrimental effects of universalism can be seen in most Christianized nations. The abstractions are endless.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

Too many Christians are way too prudish and puritanical for my tastes. I also find that many Christians, especially conservative Christians in the states tend to be de-racinated as a result of their universalist faith, and as a result are more concerned with amorphous “values” rather than the biological reality of race. A wise man once implored me to never trust anyone who would pledge their loyalty to abstractions.

[EastNordid]

The Christian/Pagan question surfaces esp. when the parents have to decide whether children (current or future) should be raised Christian or Pagan.

[PrometheanFlame]

@Dude

Yes, one must exercise discretion when attempting to uncover the truth of events that occurred, be it current events or ancient history. Those in power have a tendency to skew events and rewrite historical narratives that favor their desired outcome. One example of this is the Roman historian Tacitus. Most of the available history concerning Germanic tribes suspiciously comes from this one man, who according to sources cited by Wikipedia, owed his position to Vespasian- founder of the Flavian dynasty in Rome. He allegedly paid writers and historians to conform their narratives to view him in positive regard, while condemning previous emperors. If the allegation is true, that means the integrity of historical writings by Tacitus have been compromised due to conflict of interest and must be reviewed with skepticism. Furthermore, the Flavian dynasty itself was infiltrated by a Jewish elite family (Pharisees) via Josephus, who served as an advisor and historian.

While official Christian doctrine may not support a ‘convert or die’ philosophy, it’s ostensibly Christian kings and priest class certainly did. The account of the tree cut I think you’re referring to is that of Donar’s Oak. The author of the account was Willibald, a Catholic bishop and his bias is apparent in the telling. He claims when they began to cut the tree, a bolt of lightning struck it down swiftly and all the pagans promptly got on their knees and celebrated the Christian god. This is clearly a sensationalized account written by a biased bishop and again must be reviewed with skepticism due to a glaring conflict of interest. In the case of Donar’s oak, the only ‘evidence’ that the account is true isn’t even evidence, but the writing of one man with an allegiance to the pope and his agenda.

Concerning the Druids and native Germanic pagans, most of their history is claimed to have been passed down orally from generation to generation and did not keep written records, or so we have been told by ‘the authorities’ on the matter. Perhaps they did keep written records, but they were destroyed, covered up and/or stolen. Either way, much effort has been put into making the truth difficult to verify and the primary sources used by historians and academics today were largely written by authors who had clear spiritual and political motivations/bias.

I can’t say what modern pagans believe because now there are so many different groups within it, but many of them were born and raised into Christianity, eventually rejecting it in favor of pagan theology. Having been loosely associated with pagan community at large for several years, I can tell you that they come in many colors and flavors. It’s ultimately up to the individual to determine what works best for them, and there is a lot to choose from and explore independently. As far as Mount Olympus is concerned, it’s a matter of faith, much like any other spiritual tradition.

When talking about witchcraft today, discernment is critical to understanding as it is in all things. Most people have no clue what it actually is and their idea of witchcraft is tainted with malicious propaganda and slander. With a little digging and genuine determination to find the truth, it can be found but it’s not an easy road. Keep in mind that this is nothing new- the Abrahamic faiths and their mindless lemmings have been slandering our Gods for centuries now and these people control public perception via media, education, religion, etc.. So it’s hard to say if the pre-Ottoman pagan ritual are witchery in the sense the public thinks about witchery today. The two are not the same. One is real and the other is a wholly corrupted fabrication.

[Dude]

@PrometheanFlamed

I have heard similar criticisms of Christianity before. Like you say, I wonder how true in the pages of history these criticism are. Christian doctrine does not support convert or die philosophy – but Ottoman doctrine does. As an example, my understanding of the Christianization of the Nordics is this: One of the Norse gods was said to live in a particular tree – which a Christian missionary promptly cut down. He said, if the Norse god was infact a god, let him defend his tree. Nothing happened. People converted to Christianity. Am I correct? Are you? Are neither of us correct? Further sources are likely needed to resolve this topic. Also lies the problem of source accuracy / validity.

As an added point, do modern pagans actually believe in paganism or is it a reaction to Christianity? I have a hard time imagining someone taking Mount Olympus seriously (for example).

Depends what witchery we are talking about. Witchery post Ottoman invasion has had a middle eastern / arabic origin or influence. All of the southern European countries were conquered or almost conquered. The Nordic countries may be some of the few that escaped subjugation. Are pre-Ottoman pagan rituals actually witchery in the sense we think about witchery today?

A good source on the subject of the crusades and witchery is Bill Warner. His stuff should still come up with a little searching.

[PrometheanFlame]

@Dude

Thanks for chiming in. I’m not an academic in regards to the Ottoman wars history, but I am aware they were essentially European Christian nations vs. Islamic nations. I have no problem with that, assuming they were fighting a defensive war against a foreign people who sought to conquer them. I recall a documentary about Vlad Dracula and his efforts against the Ottomans during that time period under the banner of the Orthodox church but I need to do more research and self-education on the subject. History tends to get confusing as the centuries elapse and I’m skeptical of “the facts” that are given through mainstream channels. If you have any good sources concerning the history of the crusades you mentioned, I’d be interested to take a look at them.

In my original post, I was just loosely using the word “crusades” in reference to the Christianization of Pagan European tribes and nations, which often occurred by the tip of the sword- “convert or die” type situations, mostly by the Catholic church and it’s agents. One such crusade was the Albigensian crusade headed by pope Innocent III against the Cathars in France. The Cathars were technically Gnostics, but the church considered them heretics and had them executed in horrible ways. To the Catholic church, anyone who was not under their control were considered “pagan”, “satanic” or “heretics”, which are derogatory words used to demonize European tribal natives for practicing the spirituality of their ancestors. It’s still used today by Christians of every stripe to vilify anyone who ‘hasn’t accepted Christ’, and is further reinforced via Hollywood films and other propaganda. Scare tactics. ‘Your Gods are evil, the spawn of Satan, convert or be slain, witch!’ etc. etc. etc.. They’d go village to village and force the women and children on their knees in a line after slaying the men. They’d then go down the line with a priest and executioner walking hand-in-hand, asking a simple question: ‘do you denounce your Gods and accept Jesus as your only lord and savior?’ If the answer was no, they would be executed on the spot and simply move to the next person. If they answered yes, they were taken and slaves and treated as toys for the enjoyment of their perverted priest class. Yes, they especially enjoyed little boys and nothing has changed there!

Mind you these wars weren’t just about religion, they were also genocides of specific European stock. Genetically, they carried certain traits such as Rh- (O- specifically) blood type, red hair, and were known to be naturally gifted in the areas of psychic premonitions, divination, healing and achieving heightened states of awareness. They were sought out ruthlessly by the church, but it’s not a genocide that is often talked about. You could say it was “white vs. white”, but genetically they were quite different. These people could not be controlled through religion as they already had direct connection to what could be called Divinity. The “snakes” that St. Patrick rid from Ireland weren’t actual snakes, they were this bloodline. They were called “Serpents” and “Dragons” and there is no shortage of disinformation about who these people really were, so discretion is critical when trying to research them because most of the widely available information was written by their enemies.

The “witchery” as you call it was present in Europe and all over the world for thousands of years before the modern, bastardized Christian church showed up with all of it’s polluted and disfigured ‘wisdom’. The original wisdom was stolen from the Serpents and perverted to control and enslave the world spiritually, psychologically and physically (my how far they have come!). Ever wonder what was in the library of Alexandria? Or what stolen treasures rest beneath the vile bastion known as the vatican? Surely if they had nothing to hide, they would make their libraries open to the public; but they have a lot of stock in keeping the population ignorant and sedated, filling their head with lies. Most people have no clue about history because it’s been carefully erased and the market flooded with disinformation. The last thing they want is people becoming truly enlightened, because such people are ungovernable. Most of the secrets of the Serpents died with them when they were burned alive and slaughtered wholesale not too long ago, but it’s accessible to those who truly desire it.

[Dude]

@PrometheanFlame

Points of clarification.
1. The Crusades were a defensive war due to Ottoman (Islamic) conquest and enslavement of ~10 – 60 million Europeans. Not specifically a war against Pagans. I think at some point, anything that wasn’t clear and distinct Christianity became suspect. Remember, Europe was fighting for its very existence for 300-600 years…

2. Witchery came to Europe through Spain. The Ottoman’s believed, at least in part, in magic. The Spanish came into contact with witchery rituals over a several hundred year period. Conquered, subjugated and enslaved by Ottomans, they observed and quite likely took part in such things. I can’t comment on pagan rituals, but witch hunts were, at least in part, a reaction and attempt to extinguish those who practiced such foreign Ottoman practices.

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[PrometheanFlame]

I’ve seen the subject of religion come up in other posts here, but thought I’d create a separate thread sharing my thoughts since the primary divide seems to be between Christians and Pagans.

The question is: are they compatible? The short answer is no. I could leave it there, but let me explain why.

They are two separate and antithetical worldviews. Imagine being in an intimate relationship with someone who truly believes that you will go to and deserve to be in a place of eternal torment (hell) for not believing what they believe, and that it is their job to convert you. No matter how much you love eachother, a devout Christian will never be content with allowing this. If they aren’t actively trying to convert you, they will internally believe that you are in the wrong and that they are with the wrong person. This only leads to conflict.

How can two people who share antithetical worldviews and Gods peacefully share the same roof and raise a family? I suppose it is possible, but it is not likely or realistic. Ultimately, there would need to be a compromise, and if one is made reluctantly for the sake of the relationship, it may lead to resentment and hostility. The best solution is to not date or marry outside of your religion, especially if you are devout. Trying to convert someone you are attracted to isn’t healthy or beneficial for either party. Then again, most Christians I have met are only Christian by default because their parents were and aren’t utterly devoted in faith and love of it’s god.

Traditionally, the man’s role to his family and community is that of a spiritual leader and protector. He should be devout and disciplined, regularly carrying out the rituals of his faith to earth their respective spiritual current for the spiritual growth and protection of himself and family. Trying to mix spiritual currents, especially ones that are intrinsically hostile and antagonistic towards eachother is simply asking for disaster. Paganism and it’s various sects have always been viewed with hostility by Christianity as it is intrinsic to their doctrine and dogma. Crusades, anyone? How about those witch hunts? It’s a long and bloodied history. Reconciliation or apology has yet to be made in any meaningful way and the mass genocide of pagan cultures is still something that is openly celebrated by many christians.

Imagine being a Pagan man who establishes an altar in the home, regularly empowering it and calling upon the Gods for aid and support. If done correctly, the entire room should become saturated with the energy of your respective pantheon and expand outward to affect the entire house and world. Now imagine your wife is a devout Christian and believes that you and the Gods you call upon are “Satanic” and evil (because that is what she has been undoubtedly been programmed to think). Imagine she prays for your soul and calls upon her god to put a stop to your efforts so that you can be “saved”. Congratulations, the two of you have just instigated a spiritual war within your own house between two completely incompatible groups of entities that hate eachother. Laugh at this if you wish, but I’ve seen it happen. It’s best to be avoided. Compromising over this is unwise for either party. If one wishes to convert, it should be out of love of the respective God they are choosing to devote themselves to and not for any other reason.

Hope this helps.

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