[Leo]

That’s very true, @romanticguy, and this is part of why I enjoy spending time with the older generations of Americans so much. There’s something special about the values and mentality our elders held back then (and oftentimes still hold today), that those among the newer generations do not. Being sensible, willing to work out any minor differences without having to check off every box, seems such a rarity anymore. I definitely don’t expect to find a perfect match, but a cooperative one. If I ever manage to connect with an American woman who’s as old-school as you’re, then I’ll be among the most thankful men alive, lol.

[Anonymous]

Leo, Americans have been deliberately divided for decades, and American women in particular easily get bent out of shape over the smallest minor details due to the “check list” bull s. They don’t realize, and this is definitely true of young men who are not moral, that the person they could meet and fall in love with, doesn’t need to meet every tiny impossible checklist.

Imagine how it was when this Nation was settled. There were some very basic requirements. Good luck to all.

[Anonymous]

To the OP, don’t rely solely on any site.

Get your game on when you’re ready and go out and meet women in real life. Do your very best to strike up a friendly conversation with random women who you find attractive.

Often they will let you know if they have a significant other or not. It could be smokescreen. Just be friendly, positive and outgoing. Do your best to make them smile.

It’s good practice for when you get a real date, or it could lead to one!

[Leo]

In response to the initial inquiry:

Yes, I have had dozens of meaningful conversations, although only several were extensive and long-lasting. I have met in-person a couple women so far, whom I had connected with via WhiteDate. I’ve been on a few casual dates but no relations came of them.

Most of us seem to have very strong worldviews, personalities, and specific standards; so, finding chemistry and compatibility with one another here, has felt a little more difficult compared to past dating experiences with ordinary women – that’s been the case for me anyway.

I consider myself a friendly, thoughtful, and receptive person, but it doesn’t seem many of us also reciprocate that openness to learn, grow, and change as a person or explore with someone else who may not necessarily be similar to ourselves already.

[Hunter]

“Why are we letting the 🐀s win?”
The Synagogue controls the money supply thus they control the world (although, not as directly and ‘completely’ as they’d like, hence the ‘great reset’). We need free communications and a monetary free market, including the use of physical silver for daily transactions. Also, any anti-woman sentiment is a reaction to anti-man sentiment. Women are the choosers, and always have been, even in the most patriarchal societies where ‘rape’ is not a crime, a woman still ultimately chooses if she gives her love to the man/men in her life or not. Fix anti-man sentiment and you fix anti-woman sentiment.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

@WelshmanNorman

No, Golden Dawn has not been out-lawed.

[Anonymous]

Did they outlaw golden dawn?

[Anonymous]

Boy this thread really went in some wild directions. I think the intersexual relations are more or less broken for our people atm. 🐀 propaganda runs DEEP in both men and women. Redpill and manosphere bullshit are affecting men just like feminism is affecting women. We’ve lost our high trust commons.
A lot of women blame the men and most men blame all women. This isn’t how it was supposed to be. Why are we letting the 🐀s win?
Agency, responsibility, brotherhood and order, men.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

Ha, getting dates is not the problem.

[Dude]

@TrueSunMan

It also seems like people splinter in different ideological directions. I understand this, but it makes finding common ground difficult. Particularly with certain behavioral demeaners. I don’t have a good answer on how to unite people into the same direction. I feel like minimum threshold size is necessary to help create enough of a pocket of similar enough people. Once that is established, then people within that pocket can find one another.

[Dude]

@Paul

” the leftist ideology has crept in many White female lives in some way” – I would take that statement a bit farther. The leftist propaganda seems to have become the default female perspective, in many ways. It doesn’t seem to be a matter of if, it seems to be a matter of how much. At least where I am.

[Paul]

@ElizeB – divorce cases are settled. Contact is minimal to nonexistent due to her moving to Tennessee. Agreed that ethnicity and culture is paramount. Me, I’m German by heritage. I could probably speak / learn / understand Afrikaans. I also would never blame you or Europeans for trying to withstand the negro onslaught that y’all are subjected to. What would prevent me from moving to South Africa or Europe would probably be that I’d turn violent if I lived there, just because the attacks against Whites are so visible there.

@adsman – There’s a common theme here with big cities. Rome or Milan are very different from where you live, and Detroit is very different from where I live. Most of the country is doing better than the cities. Sounds like you hit the jackpot in terms of community, but still, I’d miss the money and what it buys me. Living in the unincorporated part of a county, the colored trash isn’t an issue here either, but the money is still ten times of what it is in Europe, at least for me.

@Pain – Ich bin mir sicher das Du auch siehst das es in ländlichen Regionen besser zugeht als sagen wir mal in München oder Frankfurt. Was mich nachdenklich macht ist das so wenige Deutsche (und andere) aufstehen und sich wehren. Kann man denen aufgrund der übergreifenden Maßnahmen vielleicht auch nachvollziehen, aber wenn halt keiner Widerstand leistet gegen die dortige Diktatur dann wird die deutsche Verwaltung halt weiter gegen den Willen der schweigenden Mehrheit handeln.

@TrueSunMan – I was in Birmingham last weekend and in Orange Beach this weekend. Two different worlds. I would agree that lots of Whites have sold out White middle class workers and made a deal with the DEI types to save their own neck for just a little bit longer. It’s sad to see the results in once proud regional industrial centers, but there’s also hope when I visit places like Mercedes in Vance. We as southern states are doing things a million times better than the northern states.

[Anonymous]

I live in America, and I don’t blame any woman for not wanting to risk coming here. I mean, I am better off than many and it’s not like I have a yacht and a mansion, lol. I’m still in a position where I’m a major illness or injury from having my life turned upside down. I’m White working class, I have to fight for everything I have with virtually no safety net to fall back on. And, like I said, I’m lucky. I have friends who have half of what I have. I have family who are barely making ends meet, with children. I would love to live in a nation run by people that actually give a shit about the majority of people living here. We don’t have that country. Our government hates us and wants us to slowly die off.

Having said that, why isn’t anybody actually getting dates? Well, the membership here isn’t exactly booming. People are spread out all over in America and also in Europe. That might play a part. Just saying.

[Pain]

Sehr interessante Diskussion auf jeden Fall

[adsman]

“Their grand prize (worry free life in the greatest country on earth) can be right in front of them and they still decide to slum it out in their little s*ihole county on 20k a year”

Dear me, the arrogance and cognitive dissonance is breathtaking.

I mean, Americans were bad enough 20 years ago with the “rah-rah-USA is the greatest” nonsense. But to still be holding onto that now is unbelievable. I lived and worked in the USA in 2019, and I traveled quite a bit within the country, (and keep in mind that I have lived and worked in every continent in the world except South America), and quite frankly, in comparison to the vast majority of countries in the West, the USA is now very much 2nd world itself.

Your cities are ethnic melting pot disasters. Many, such as Detroit, are unlivable. Your infrastructure such as roads and bridges are the worst I have seen in a supposedly first world nation. Your food and diet is atrocious, and I found it exceedingly difficult to find any quality produce to cook meals. As for safety, I had to constantly be on my 6 and my situational awareness antennae were always on high alert.

A worry free life in the greatest country on earth? This isn’t 1950 anymore, mate.

[Anonymous]

Paul, I may be massacred here for answering, but from a female point of view, it doesn’t seem absurd to consider it a failure to have had previous children. I personally do not consider this issue as something fundamental, but I understand that for many women, especially of good quality (who want to marry chaste and similar man), it is understood that the man has failed and that if he does not do his job once, twice or more times, that it will possibly continue to fail. In addition to the issue involved in eventually having to deal with an ex-wife, her family and other related problems, such as the division of assets and inheritance. It doesn’t seem like a small thing to me. Of course I understand the ins and outs of divorce etc, but I also know that many men would not accept a divorced woman or single mother.

For me, one of the primary issues in choosing a partner is the issue of cultural, genetic and psychic similarity. I’m looking for a man with Nordic predominance, like me. Not just a white man of any lineage or nationality.

[Paul]

A lot of baiting with those who wrote back, a lot of non-responses in general. I had kids before, so to many women that’s a non-starter. Another thing is that economic success seems to matter a lot less to White women than to others.

IRL, I once had a colored dentist hit on me because she worked in the same dental practice as my dentist. She saw the bills that came out of my own pocket, the extra services, the gold crown. She figured I’m successful and tried to hit on me lol. Same with hotel staff, support services staff, and similar. They see a bunch of bills in excess of $1,000 getting handled easily, they smile, and some try to flirt. But almost all colored (I fly to LatAm a lot) and therefore not a good match.

For this site, as much as women here may profess to seek a good provider who is also aware, at the end of the day they seek a lot more than that. Maybe someone who enjoys concerts or hiking, maybe someone who is sensitive or understanding in many ways. No matter who much they might brag about their cooking, housekeeping or other femine skills, at the end of the day, they won’t accept you being a good husband with tradional male skills and a good provider in return.

As others have said, we as a race aren’t as homogenous as we once were, and the leftist ideology has crept in many White female lives in some way, even here. We seemingly have more choices these days, but reality is that so many of us have lost their sense for the basics in the process. It’s not enough for many women anymore for the guy to make good money, or to buy land and a house for homesteading. They want perfect matches. They want you to make 20k a month, but also be 25 and childless. They don’t realize that unless your parents were rich and well connected, that at age 25 you would have made perhaps 60k a year and dwindled away in a shack or a small apartment. They don’t realize that one doesn’t get a 5,000 square foot home, and boat and a pilot’s certificate overnight.

Heck, even foreign White women from say Argentina or Croatia (we we brought up Greece or Romania) seem to have “standards” that a regular guy in his 40s can’t fulfill according to them. And to be sure, few if any woman on this site will live in the same state, so while considering someone from another country (which is a headache because the INS is flooded with colored asylum seekers) doesn’t even appreciate that you’re offering them something a thousand times better than their little country and the poverty that they might have experienced there. Their grand prize (worry free life in the greatest country on earth) can be right in front of them and they still decide to slum it out in their little s*ihole county on 20k a year. So no, this site hasn’t yielded any dates, just rejections. Some instant ones, and others after weeks of chats.

[Anonymous]

I read through these messages and just wanted to add an experience I had with a few women on here.

Both had hostile attitudes or dry conversation from the start. They started off with interview style questions and were mean. Making negative implications against me. It was odd.

On the other hand, there were some quite friendly ladies as well. And I’m still in the works of talking to them/getting contact set up.

Someone mentioned seeing their personalities and being put off by it. It happens. Keep trying gentlemen. And ladies, I appreciate the ones out there who have normal conversations from the start. It doesn’t have to be a debate or argument right off the bat😆

[Rafael]

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[A_Spartan_Speaks]

These mgtow/incel beta-bitches are getting tiresome.

[Anonymous]

This website has had what? Three babies since it went online? You’re full of it.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

Couples have met through this site and gotten married and had kids as a result. So, that makes this site a success as far as I’m concerned.

[Anonymous]

If anything this dumbass website has done more harm than good to white women.

[Anonymous]

I’ve had my digital exchanges with women on this website. There was one in particular I talked to for a while who has met and slept with at least a half dozen men from this website – flying around the country like a prostitute. You’ve probably sent her a message. If you want to meet up and have degenerate sex she’s right up your alley. Fisting, poop and pee play, vomit. I’m not sure what drives some people to get off on the most disgusting shit imaginable but online dating is degenerate in general. Women who use online dating apps have developed a compulsive addiction to receiving hundreds of messages from men. It’s the equivalent to someone who watches a shit ton of porn. It’s unhealthy and unnatural.

[Anonymous]

Some facts:

You won’t get any dates from this site, because this site is dead – it was actually stillborn. The reasons why this site is dead, are:

1. Heidi, the owner and manager of this site, is a woman, with a woman brain.

2. She has 0 basic understanding of fundamental business and marketing principles.

3. She has 0 understanding of developing and managing websites.

Site is not developed, shitty and user-unfriendly as hell, pages load for ever, fees are so high that I am suspecting that Ms.Heidi had previously been working in extortion business. All of this pushes away some 95% of potential new members.

Heidi obviously have been using the incoming member fees for mainly other things, than developing the site. My membership alone of some 80 usd, should have been enough to increase the speed of the site for a whole year. The woman just does not understand that you cant eat all the 10 peas you’ve got – you must plant them, and when they grow into a 100 peas, you must still plant them all – and not try to live of that. Furthermore, no site will survive which does not offer COMPLETELY FREE membership for all and any, including FREE MESSAGES to send and read. The only way to generate income, are fees on extra VIP features + donations + ads.

I feel however respect and gratitude for Heidi’s passion and dedication. So my advice is that she should asap find some other folks to take over the managing and business part of this project, while she herself can work on content writing and similar things where she’s good at.

[Rafael]

I also don’t get much replies even if the user was online recently. I don’t understand why. Are they afraid to say no? I only got in contact with three women so far:
– In the first case the user was banned after several months and broke up contact with me.
– In the second case the user was a hard core Christian who thought that all non-Christians go to hell.
– In the third case I actually wanted to have a phone call with her but she said that her life is chaotic right now and she needs some time before she can talk with me.

But the absence of women, especially young women is really notable. The reason for that might be that women are maybe more comfortable and subordinate to the establishement and always fully inhale the current narrative because they are too afraid to question it and get therefore in danger. Women’s thought and behaviour are very flexible I think and they always subordinate to the current authority. Today many white women welcome the alien invasion with “Refugees Welcome”-signs but in the past they subordinated to the authority which was in power back then. How fast their ideology can change if the authority changes shows France during WW2 where many French women had relationships with German soldiers despite the massive anti-German propaganda before, the regime changed and so did their thoughts and behaviour. I think that resistance to the current system and revolutions are something which has always been done by adventure seeking men rather than by comfort seeking women and that’s why there are so few women here.

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[PrometheanFlame]

@SouthernEnjoyer gave the most reasonable advice I’ve seen here so far. The reactions to what he said are hilarious. White knights coping and seething.

‘She can’t be a whore, she’s a based pro-white queen. Look! She even wears sundresses and posts pictures of her making sourdough bread on instagram!’ Oh boy trust me, they absolutely want you to believe that.

[Hunter]

@Administrator what you are saying is that even pro-White women don’t have time for deep textual communication. Fine, then, unfortunately, the great distances involved make actually meeting in-person impossible. As for voice and video calls, sure, that seems to be the next step, but I’ve never yet reached the ‘comfortable’ phase, nor have I ever been asked to do so, and I’ve only had one photo request. I will be more aggressive when I communicate with women here in the future. Regardless, it is quite clear that the site needs more members, especially girls and women.

[Anonymous]

@SouthernEnjoyer

I appreciate you showing to all of us that you have no idea what you’re talking about (or that you can’t read), as you have completely failed to address any of the points raised, thus proving my point.

In any case, your ‘contribution’ is completely useless – get lost.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

@SouthernEnjoyer

I strongly disagree with your contention that women in the pro-White sphere have a bad reputation. In my experience just the opposite is true.

[Anonymous]

None of that is helpful. Insulting each other isn’t helpful, nor is bashing women for having standards. (which I also have, so why would I hate someone of the opposite sex for having the same?)

Nobody wants to raise a family with a turbo-autist who thinks a woman shouldn’t have an issue if he calls her a whore for having an opinion on anything at all, nor do I as a man want a woman who has the mindset of a five-year old and the brain of one to boot. I’ll share my insight as someone who had to learn this one the hard way: if you’re repelling every single woman who comes within 50 feet of you, both IRL and on here, perhaps It’s time to look in the mirror? Spend some time looking inward, ask yourself if YOU would want to date you? Maybe identify some major flaws and work on those and find some personal happiness before you put yourself out there. This is something that has the beauty of applying both to men and women as well. Ladies, if that man dumped you after a month, maybe there’s a reason for that beyond “He’s an asshole”.

I hope each and every one of us on here can find someone for them, that’s my sincere hope. Let’s come together, not snipe at each over petty shit. Hail victory.

[Anonymous]

My post was exclusive for the American audience. My disdain for the failures of European nationalist movements is only rivaled by their incompetence of acquiring bitches. Carry on.

[Anonymous]

@SouthernEnjoyer

I find it somewhat amusing when people who haven’t succeeded at something think they’re in a position to give advice to others on how they may succeed.

If your strategy of meeting women offline works so well, then why are you here, and why are you still single?

And we’re not even talking about the obvious issues which people who advocate this strategy never seem to address – such as the fact that if you have a higher IQ, let’s say around official genius level, less than ~2% of the population are in your IQ range (if my maths are right), which means that after taking into consideration those women who are too old/young or already married, you’ll end up with a *very* small amount of women who are suitable, and I’ve never heard a reasonable explanation on how one would possibility go about finding such a needle in a haystack.
Other challenges include toxic anti-male culture, especially if you’re located in western Europe, and the fact that a majority of young people tend to look for relationships online these days, according to a poll I saw recently.

So, unless you’re able and willing to address any such concerns, as well as provide evidence for the efficacy of your strategy (which apparently doesn’t work for you), then perhaps a bit of humility and self-reflection would serve you well…

[Anonymous]

The men here need to consider what they actually want vs what they think they want. The women who are on this website do indeed overvalue themselves as do most women who are consumed by online dating nowadays. The vast majority of women in the pro-white movement have a bad reputation for a reason, they earned it. The best thing you can do for yourself as a man who holds the beliefs you do is get the fuck off the internet and any movement group chats and meet a normal decent woman in real life. Treat her like you wish you could treat some spoiled movement whore. Good day.

[Administrator]

@Hunter As a woman, I know that most women appreciate men who take online dating contacts to the next level after a few text exchanges. Long online message exchanges are pointless; we all have a life, and nothing is more revelatory than a video call; let it be anonymous until you feel safe with someone. But women expect men to ask for their telephone number, call them, and set up dates in real life. If you are too slow or too passive, you are dead.

[Dude]

Further, if Shaughnessy has data or resources to support genetic health optimization of the union of 3rd cousins – do we know the health penalty of the inverse? I would be curious to know the nature and the sharpness of the curve.

[Dude]

@Administrator

I’m not implying an equivalency. Nor do I think that am I confused about Race and Ethnicity. Shaughnessy suggested that the separate tribal African groups are almost like separate races; mixing between separate African tribal groups would suffer negative health effects similar to race intermixing. I’m extending that assertion. Borrowing the idea that the separate African tribal groups are like their own racial groups, does that make some of the European ethnicities like their own racial group. For example, my understanding is that the Irish are about 10’000 years removed from the rest of the European ethnicities. I was curious if Shaughnessy had any data or other resources to suggest the health outcomes of such intermixing between distant European groups.

I am familiar with Thuletide, though I haven’t read every article. Thanks.

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[Administrator]

@Dude To study the difference between the terms race and ethnicity, please consult https://thuletide.wordpress.com/ – Search for ‘Europid’ and ‘MENA’. Your suggestion of an equal ranking of Northern African admixture with mixing of European ethnicities reveals a substantial need for learning.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

I know for a fact that lots of couples got together, got married and had kids as a result of taking part in the Identitarian movements, in Europe. It is inevitable that quality White men and women will couple if they interact in a healthy environment. And all of these worthless, verminous mgtow-incel beta-bitches need to STFU.

[Dude]

@Shaughnessy (why does your name say “spectator” underneath?)

I think I’ll need to reread through your comments. I feel as though I’m reading through a paper. As an aside, I don’t always have time to read through some of these extensive forum posts, so I selfishly ask for a condensed point summary. Particularly because a lot of what you are saying is very dense, and have a number of facets. Perhaps I am just being unreasonably lazy. Also, your use of language. I know what you mean but I’m not necessarily familiar with every word you use… Not criticizing. Just observing.

Part of your overall thesis seems to suggest a cyclical ebb and flow pathway, where things will work themselves out by natural mechanisms. I’m not sure if I am in agreement with your overall suggestion. Once things are mixed, can they really become unmixed? Yes, selection can increase or reduce certain genes in the population. However, that occurs over an unreasonably long timescale. I think the rate of mixing greatly exceeds the rate of reduction.

Are there any sources that outline the negatives of mixing? I know what you are talking about with regards to immune system compatibility and organ transplants. But I know these things because of different readings I have done over a long period of time. How would I ever convince or show someone else? I don’t even have a resource list of all of the things I have read, let alone to be able to show someone else.

Pursuant to your comment about different african ‘races’, what do you think of European ‘races’? I agree with third cousins, I have other sources that suggest similarly. However, finding such third cousins and the like can be difficult if not impractical. Can European Races intermix? To what degree? I imagine there are similar mixing risks between European subgroups as there is mixing different african subgroups?

[Benito]

The meet and greet was filled with women and men alike. I noticed most the men had no chance really. The English speaking foreigners were of great interest to everyone there. Also other Western Europeans..like Italian. But honestly British, American and Canadian get the most attention. Especially if you are fit, dress nice and are well groomed.
Please check out: The Social Man.

[Benito]

Just a note though. You can get prepared now…work out, lose weight and start learning Romanian. If anyone comes here and has social anxiety issues, I can help in getting a wingman to help reverse the damage men have faced in the west.

[Benito]

Hi everyone. I’ve posted on here from time to time, not too often. If you are looking for a woman my advice is to come to Romania. I’m currently here and I’ll be coming back here in April. If you interested in coming here I can tell you what it’s like. The obstacles you face and how to pickup girls in the streets. Also I found that the weekly meet and greet meetings on face book are the BEST way to find someone. I know this because I got a date with a beautiful, feminine and very intellectual women from this group meet. You too can have similar success but you must be prepared to come and stay for a longer period of time. Anyone wants more info just message me.

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[Hunter]

Thanks @Shaughnessy, I also appreciate your specialist commentary. I too want to know WTF @Spartan means when he calls American women ‘submissive’ and similarly so to Greek women. Yes, if it were legal to rape women, all women could be considered submissive. There are very few women that might have the possibility of resisting any man without a weapon. Clearly @Spartan considers himself a ‘chad,’ good for him, but ‘chads’ alone will not save the White subspecies, for they have little incentive to help their fellow White man. As for the female ‘ladies’ division of the British Union (BU), Oswald Moseley (essentially the head of state of the BU) was still the ultimate authority, and it is clear that Oswald always intended a man (selected by him or his successors) to lead the BU.

[Anonymous]

This is inevitable in all human populations in the future because ecological prefiguration renders a rate shift in all human populations in the future inevitable, for reasons described in a previous post. But, among populations with a growing share of mixed-race individuals, including mixed-race individuals from two “black races,” intelligence, immune functionality, and longevity will fall more rapidly, and be harder to recover from. This is all an ecological certainty.

What’s uncertain is the pace at which races will merge, and, in merging, drive extant races extinct, and the pace at which discrete racial populations emerge from Earth, and retain their ability to remain racially pure and racist enough to prevent themselves from mixing out, and the pace at which those populations, and, quite possibly, composite de novo racial groups with inferior immune modality, are able to put distance between their own extrasolar populations, and persist in segregated constructed niches that are safe from adumbration into the populations around Sol, which will, themselves, also end up striving to plant their own settlements deep into the Void, and / or attempting to crosscolonize distal settlements established by earlier populations (as is happening to the Eurosphere on Earth in our own regrettable time. I can fully explain ecological determinism and human variance, but I don’t have a crystal ball—just a set of informed hunches.

Don’t make me say more.

Odd posting limitations are why I had to parse my essay here into both long and short components.

[Anonymous]

This is the case, for example, in India, where the fusion of races was so recent that there is no “Indian race,” and won’t be for tens of thousands of years, unless that process is accelerated through iterated embryo replacement specifically curated to end racial disparities between all polities in the Subcontinent. The integrity of bespoke racial allelic linkage disequilibration blocks falls when races mix, and can’t rise again until races fully mix together. That bespoke integrity of blocks in each race is what keeps the “members” of every race healthier when they breed only with their own than they could ever be if they mixed races, at least until different races fully merge into one, and produce their own bespoke racial pattern of allelic linkage disequilibration.

Hence, “members” of mixed races, such as “Hapas,” that are newly emergent can’t share blood or organs with one another because, whereas they seem to be pretty similar to one another in appearance, they lack a stable bespoke pattern of salubrious immune functionality that the members of every pure laine race can take for granted. If Hapas ever become their own bespoke race, such that they can share blood and organs with one another, then it will take an extremely long time for that to happen. In the meanwhile, they’ll just suffer from chronic widespread immune impairment, which is true of every mixed-race person on the planet.

The best choices for mating for every human being are their own third cousins, with such pairings avoiding the pitfalls of both outbreeding depression and inbreeding depression. Those third cousins share an optimal major histocompatility complex, which means that they produce the best immune systems in their offspring. This happens most often when marriages are arranged, which can only happen under patriarchy. Arranged marriages tend to produce unions between third cousins because third cousins share one of the same great-grandparents.

In other words, parents and grandparents from related lineages keep track of their common ancestors, and preferentially (mostly) employ relatedness to the third degree as a metric for mating success. This tendency to pair third (or fourth, or second) cousins together will tend to keep races pure, which is how the benign patterns of allelic linkage disequilibration that are bespoke to each race end up emerging in the first place. Ultimately, K strategists are xenophilic, so they tend to err on the side less relatedness, whereas r strategists tend to err on the side of relatedness, inasmuch as they’re more xenophobic.

That’s why Irish and Japanese people are fairly closely related, whereas neighboring groups within African countries are fairly unrelated to one another. More to the point, because black Africans tend to be so unrelated to one another, merging them together in recent times tends to compromise their immunity, inasmuch as every tribe in Africa is, in effect, its own “race,” each with its on divergently evolved patterns of bespoke allelic linkage disequilibration. In other words, if a deck of cards has 1,000 “suits,” 900 of them will be African, and merging any of those 900 together will impair immune function more seriously than would be the case if all Irish an Japanese people merged into one composite racial population.

The takeaway is that K strategists have such a long history of xenophilia that they’re far more compatible with another as “disequilibration block immune system merger partners” than Africans are with one another. Hence, the merger of African populations will produce in black people on Earth an increasingly unhealthy population, and one that’s subject to dysgenesis much more so than any, and all, other races are. Artificially lumping all blacks into the same “racial” group because they happen to look pretty similar to one another is very myopic.

The most successful races of the future will be those that retain their own bespoke patterns of immune health that have evolved over tens of thousands of years, if not longer. Ergo, pure races that escape extinction on Earth will tend to be long-lived, due to their superior immune function. Moreover, brevity is a function of rate strategy, whereas longevity is a function of K strategy. So the most intelligent races are also those who live the longest, and which are the most xenophilic. Any shift in any race towards a more rate-strategic population will cause a corresponding fall in lifespan, intelligence, immune functionality, xenophilia, etc.

[Anonymous]

Intelligence is northern (or, rather, polar, but that amounts to the same thing, inasmuch as no large Frigid polities ever emerged around the South Pole), whereas high testosterone is western. This is true because the trade winds only flow from west to east, rendering western areas of the Old World more mild than eastern areas of those continents are. Again, the metabolic theory of ecology explains why and how Orientals are so feminine in behavior and appearance, compared to all other populations, including Whites.

Ultimately, Africans have the aggression, but not the smarts, Orientals have the smarts, but not the aggression, and Europeans are slightly less intelligent than northern Orientals are, and slightly less aggressive than Africans are. However, because creativity is a product of intelligence times aggression, Europeans have the “Goldilocks” ratio of intelligence to aggression, which means that they produce the most geniuses per capita, much higher than in the northern Orient, where populations are slightly smarter than Europeans are.

Success beyond Earth will be, in the main, a function of creativity, which is just a proxy for genius. So, unless I’m wrong, the first human polity, if any, to escape extinction at the hands of allelic amalgamation into a black composite race will be Europeans, followed by northern Orientals, followed by Subcontinentals, possibly followed by Levantines or beige North Americans or Brazilians, or some composite of the three. Ultimately, the lower down that list, in order, the more likely that a polity will escape into space as a population that’s merged into other non-African populations.

Hence, those who escape selective sweep as Earth becomes a Black Planet might just include Occidentals, or it might include Whites and Orientals, or it might include both of those and also a composite race which will borrow from Subcontinentals, Levantines, beige North Americans, Eurabians, Brazilians, Indonesians, etc. Or maybe they’ll all set up shop in space independently. Living beyond Earth doesn’t necessitate that all of those pure laine or composite polities that escape extinction on Earth won’t ultimately face the same fate.

In fact, it’s certain that all successful races or composite races that escape extinction on Earth will fail to escape extinction beyond Earth, but within the Solar system. Thus, our goal mustn’t be to merely escape Earth, but also Sol. Technology will arise such that human DNA, assisted by robotics and AI, will be able to spread human populations without actually involving any living humans travelling between the stars to new destinations that are safe from Sol’s amalgamating populations.

Ultimately, we’ll need to assure that we can find and defend from other humans new constructed niches in deep space that can secure the existence of our people, and a future for White children. That’s all that I can reasonably say on the matter, except that, should there arise a fusion between northern Orientals and Africans, such that the upshot is an amalgamated, composite “race” that merges the intelligence of northern Orientals with the high testosterone of Africans, but without the low cognitive ability of Africans, and without the low testosterone of northern Orientals, then that composite race would be a contender for high creativity, which would render them somewhat on par with Europeans as a competitive population that could mirror the success of White flight of future European-derived populations escaping Sol.

But that doesn’t seem very likely because bespoke allelic linkage disequilibration blocks that make each discrete race what it is take a long time–hundreds of thousands of years, but potentially hundreds of times as rapidly using iterative embryo replacement–to successfully merge. That composite black-yellow race would have to merge together perfect royal flushes in two different suits, only to render the resulting hand one that possessed only a royal flush comprising of two suits, which is, in effect, worthless as a hand until such time as the two suits completely mixed together, and became one composite suit.

For example, mixed-race children can’t accept blood or organs from their own parents, who would, in any race, normally be the best matches for them, because they’re not sufficiently closely related to one another for that to be technically feasible. That composite mixed race would be comprised of two divergently evolved sets of “perfect” bespoke allelic linkage disequilibration blocks that would be, until they fully merged, implicitly trying to destroy one another, as if the face cards in both royal flushes were trying to completely annihilate one another until they fully diluted into one another, completely ending the disparities between one another until the suits were so mixed up that their composite immunity would suffer egregiously for a very long time.

[Anonymous]

…. (which is dispositionally a modality that is present in sub-Saharans and Europeans).

[Anonymous]

…. and high resting rate of testosterone expression….

[Anonymous]

This means that genius is simultaneously a function of both intelligence (which is dispositionally a Frigid modality)….

[Anonymous]

Creativity equals intelligence times aggression.

[Anonymous]

Wanting Whites to survive won’t necessarily bring about that outcome. But I surmise that nature will make Whites more robust (more racist, more patriarchal, more sexually dimorphic, more heterosexual, and more fecund, with shorter intergenerational gaps) because ecological prefiguration predicts that that has to happen. Whether it saves Europeans over deep time is another matter. Ultimately, mixing global populations together has to result in the extinction of all races, and their amalgamation into an increasingly rate-strategic composite polity as humans all become one “race.” That can’t be stopped on Earth.

But Earth needn’t be the only habitat that humans inhabit in the future. Ergo, ecological niche construction can, in the future, preserve remnant races that can survive the extinction of all extant heretofore divergently evolved races on Earth. Those who are the most likely to construct those de novo niches beyond Earth will necessarily be biased towards populations that will have emerged from the most K-strategic populations, inasmuch as they’re the most intelligent and creative ones. If only one extant race persists beyond Earth after Earth becomes a Black Planet, then it will probably be derived from today’s European population, inasmuch as its resting rate of testosterone expression is so much higher than that which exists in Orientals.

[Anonymous]

Ecology doesn’t make mistakes, and can’t. The only solutions that will arise are those which nature renders inevitable. That’s not to say that the “solution” won’t be White extinction. What I know will happen is that all human populations will migrate towards rate strategy, and that great men will do what nature makes them do, and that those great men will produce actions, through their own choices, that correspond with what’s necessary to bring about that shift towards rate strategy.

Obligate rate (r) strategy can only lead to extinction, and the same is true of obligate capacity (K) strategy. Only obligate inobligacy keeps populations of any creature from being subjected to selective sweep, and disappearing from living systems. Ergo, the asymmetry of the two chiralities of math, itself, has to keep K and r from completely displacing one another in order to prevent life from going extinct entirely. Life can, of course, go extinct entirety, but allostasis (stable homeostasis over deep time in living systems) ensure that life is persistent.

Ultimately, because r and K are intrinsic paired modalities that are functions of the metabolic theory of ecology, it would be almost as difficult to eradicate life as it would be to eradicate the dis[parity between hot and cold, inasmuch as Newton’s valid second law of thermodynamics (concerning entropy) and its valid refutation (concerning negentropy) prefigures the “metabolic” facet of the metabolic theory of ecology. “Metabolic” doesn’t mean “digestive,” but, rather, “self-regulatory.”

Ergo, life is almost unkillable once it’s sprung up because it selects for its own adaptibility, and entrenches dualistic systems of allostasis that ensure that living system always end up regressing to the mean, such that they can persist virtually ad infinitum. All of this is to say that rate and capacity are stable modalities that can try to kill one another off, but which can never succeed for the trying. Prey and predator need to need one another, or both go extinct.

Ergo, whereas Whites are dropping like flies, that means precisely nothing over long periods of time, as the “molting” that I referred to earlier will always make shrinking populations more robust, and make them that much harder to kill off as a function of the extent to which they’re preyed upon, not only by biogenic sources (pervasive global anti-White racism, for example), but also by abiogenic sources (inasmuch as cold, itself, is a predator that preferentially (read “mainly”) attacks Frigids, in ecological terms). It might seem like a cop-out to say “you’re begging the question” by presuming that the “solutions” that nature will serve up will be those that you want to be served up, but those are the facts of the matter.

[Anonymous]

@Dude Your point is correct. A race to the bottom is a behavioral sink. It’s a collective action problem. Frigids produce collective action solutions. Torrids produce collective action problems. When Europeans were isolated from Torrids and Tepids (inobligate peoples who populate the lands between Frigids and Torrids), their best survival strategy was K strategy.

Mixing together global populations leaves Frigids no choice but to accept and adopt rate strategy, either by mixing with Pocs, or by dramatically shifting allelic frequencies in their own discrete population, so that they become more like Torrids (stupid, racist, precociously sexualized, violent, sexually violent, more patriarchal, less homosexual, more impulsive / dopaminergic, less serotonergic, etc.) Torrids threaten to displace all K strategists on the planet, and they’ll absorb K strategic DNA through the amalgamation of Frigids and Tepids through mixing, but K-strategic DNA will be selected against within that composite mixed population, and iteratively erased from the phenotype, especially inasmuch as African DNA is dominant, whereas non-African DNA is recessive.

This is because non-African DNA is newer, and more “experimental,” so it hasn’t reached fixation yet, and won’t for millions of years. Some Frigid DNA, from Neanderthals and Denisovans and their forebears, has been distinct from African DNA for 2 million years, even though it’s only a very small fraction of non-African DNA. Ergo, that which most defines the Frigid archetype has been divergent from the Torrid archetype for 30% of the period since we diverged from our last common ancestor with chimps and bonobos.

Non-Africans are, ergo, very nearly a different species from Africans. There are superspecies with less diversity than separates non-Africans from Africans. For that reason, only socialist control of academia prevents us all from acknowledging that Africans are a different species from the rest of us. The word “species” is vague, and does not connote that two species can’t reproduce together. When sexual reproduction emerged a billion years ago, it wasn’t one X chromosome defecting against the supersedure of another X chromosome, and emerging to become a Y chromosome, but that’s sufficiently close enough of an analogy, so we might as well couch it in those terms.

Thus, when one primordial “female” chromosome defected from the supersedure of the most dominant “female” chromosome, and became a “male” chromosome, the karyotype of the female-female organism was distinct from that of the female-male organism. In human terms, that would be a proxy for males emerging from an all-female species to become their own species. Inasmuch as ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, that’s why all humans are female until half of them become male. That’s true in all mammals, and, if memory serves me correctly, in all diploid species.

Hence, way back when, male and female connoted disparate species. Sexual differentiation began as speciation. My point here is that “species” is a specious term, and real ecologists shy away from such fuzzy kludges for the sake of parsimony. Ergo, calling non-Africans a discrete species is as valid as not doing so. It’s entirely arbitrary. Because ecological prefiguration is what it is, nature doesn’t particularly care how the shift from a diverse superspecies / species, replete with a diverse array of Frigid, Tepid, and Torrid clades, to one in which all, or almost all, Frigid and Tepid DNA has been expunged from the phenotype, and, thereafter, the genotype, occurs.

There are only two possibilities, though, and both can be simultaneously true. One option is succumbing to admixture, and then succumbing to superlative Torrid fecundity, such that Frigid and Tepid DNA becomes diluted in the phenotype, and then the genotype, almost completely, as happened with Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA in non-African populations over the past 2 million years. The other option is for Frigids and / or Tepids to shunt towards rate strategy by dramatically reshuffling their own DNA profiles to downregulate the presence, and expression of, K-strategic alleles in favor of r-strategic ones.

I’ve described both of these options in previous posts in this thread. So, when you ask “what our options are,” you seem to be asking “what can people do?” That question isn’t well-formulated, as it presumes that human agency is not in superposition with ecological predetermination. To put that in context, consider that schools of historical analysis may focus on the “great leader” modality of individuated agency, or upon the “longue durée” modality of inevitable behavioral evolution that is contingent upon the actions of great leaders, but in which those great leaders were going to come along anyways, as a function of ecological predeterminism.

So, if you ask whether agency / free will exists, then I’ll tell you that it does, but that so does ecological predeterminism. To people who don’t know much, that’s easily recognizable as a “paradox,” because, after all, “mutually exclusive opposing statements of mathematical proof cannot simultaneously be true.” Except that that’s not true. Kurt Gödel’s incompleteness theorems categorically refute that axiom, which is dead wrong. Quantum physics explains superposition, and explains that there are distinct chiralities in all of mathematics.

Chiralities are “handednesses,” and, in mathematics, there are “handednessless” equations, “right-handed” equations, and “left-handed” equations. Intrinsically consilient (completely reconcilable) equations all agree with one another, but right- and left-handed equations are incompletely consilient with both one another and with completely reconcilable equations.

For example, using the same data, but disparate axioms, one can ascertain using Einsteinian physics (quantum mechanics) that a continuous current paired with a neutral ground can arise from the alternating superposition of pulse-width modulated (“square”) waves offset from one another by half of a phase (half of a wavelength), or one can ascertain, from the same data set, but different axioms, with Newtonian physics (classical mechanics), that, rather than a continuous current paired with a neutral ground, what actually occurs is that a sinusoidal and cosinusoidal wave offset from one another along the same vector by half of a phase, and bound within the asymptotes of the same minimal and maximal tangents, never produce a continuous current.

Both of these approaches are “correct,” even though they produce different outcomes in the “real world”. In one case, the signal output is called “always on-always off” because both the continuous current (which we call “power-conditioned alternating current”) exist simultaneously in superposition to one another. In the other case, with the unmodulated sine and cosine waves, there’s no superposition at all. This is because Newtonian and Einsteinian physics are chirally asymmetrical to one another, meaning that one uses “right-handed” equations, whereas the other employs “left-handed” equations.

Both can be simultaneously valid, so both are in superposition with one another. What this means is that, whereas there’s an apparent paradox whereby “Einstein can’t be right is Newton is,” that’s incorrect. In sum, paradoxes aren’t a problem in mathematics because all apparent paradoxes can be nullified by superposition. In other words, not all valid truth claims in mathematics have to fully agree with one another in order to simultaneously, and superpositionally, be valid. Ergo, as long as there’s at least one way to reconcile equations between the handednesses of math, there needn’t be more than one way to do so.

Perforce, two diametrically opposed mathematical proofs can both simultaneously be valid as long as their inconsilience isn’t complete. This is the takeaway from Gödel’s incompleteness theorems. In layman’s terms, paradoxes are illusions, and they’re all contingent upon the false assumption that all valid proofs in math have to agree with all other valid proofs. The example of the square power-conditioned alternating current wave and the paired sine and cosine waves illustrates this.

Why do I mention all of this? Because free will and predetermination are demonstrated to be asymmetrical superpositional chiralities of one another that are both simultaneously and superpositionally valid. Just because the “great man” axiom is valid doesn’t mean that predetermination isn’t valid, and vice-versa. In other words, what “great men” end up doing is whatever ecological prefiguration will have necessitated to have occurred. In sum, we’ll do, as a function of free will, whatever will have become predetermined at any given point in the future.

We can all change how things will turn out, but only within the parameters allowed for by the logical constraints imposed by ecological prefiguration. By the time that any given point in the future arrives, the composite of what people wanted to have occurred will be precisely identical to what will have become necessary to have occurred, notwithstanding the fact that outcomes are predicted not only by the sum of human agency, but of the implicit agency of mathematical necessity as a function of the passage of time. Everything that people will do will have been needed to have been done.

[Dude]

@Shaughnessy

Point: The K selective strategy only works when they remain a cohesive group. If the K-selective genes get pushed aside, or have to compete for the same resources against R-selective peoples – particularly with the taxation funding going on now – it means the people who believe in saving get punished for doing so while the people who don’t believe in saving get rewarded.

(I think this point is captured in your posts, but I thought I would re-iterate it)

Thought: You have summarized the situation well. I may have missed it, but what do you think the forward looking solutions are?

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[Anonymous]

@Spartan I wonder what you consider “submission” to be. I suspect that I would entirely reject the premises of your definition. Amish women have precisely no say over any aspect of their lives. Männerbunden have always monopolized the Ordnungen of their settlements. Amish females are granted, at most, a small handful of opportunities to submit to men of their own culture, and it never takes them long to choose one, and they let their menfolk be the ones to decide upon how many children they have, so their rates of demographic expansion within the US is unparalleled by any ethnic group of any race. They’re a great example of rate strategists that have been able to culturally segregate themselves from the rest of the White population, and persist, and thrive. If, Spartan, your definition of “submissive White female” isn’t exclusively circumscribed by the behavior of Amish females, then it’s a definition that I find to be irreconcilable with reality.

[Anonymous]

By “Great comment about sex-segregated WN groups, Spartan,” I meant “Great comment about sex-segregated WN groups, Hunter.” Spartan’s fastidiously delusional, but consistent.

[Anonymous]

For context, White conservatives have 30% more children, per capita, than White liberals do. Exponency is a thing, so, within 8 generations, a ratio of one White liberal per White conservative will become a ratio of one White liberal per EIGHT White conservatives. Seven generations is, at present, around 200 years. White liberalism will have vanished by then. This is “only if trends hold.” But the metabolic theory of ecology is accurate far into the future, as its underlying ecological prerogatives and the breakneck rate of replacement of allelic frequencies from leftist allelic dominance to rightist allelic dominance will absolutely certainly guarantee that the same trend will only accelerate over time, rather than swinging to and fro like a pendulum over a couple of centuries. Nothing but the aforementioned wildcards can stop the acceleration of that trend whereby, within 100 to 200 years, liberality within European civilization will die out almost entirely.

The birth control pill is horrible, right? It was the catalyst for the voluntary mass retirement of leftist Whites from the referent European gene pool. With the demise of those Whites, we will simultaneously witness the demise of any predilection to use birth control of any type, or to cull the European population before birth. And abortion is horrible, right? Well, those who subscribe to that penchant will die out with the Baizuo, and I approve of White leftists removing from our gene pool the alleles that code for a desire to cull one’s own lineage. The ones who are being culled could have been genetically leftist, and we’re always better off without more White leftists. Europeans will desist in such insouciant culling as White leftists voluntarily resign from the gene pool. Three cheers for the Great Resignation.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

@Hunter: The women I’ve dated in Canada and the States have possessed the same, innate submissive tendencies as the Greek women I’ve dated.

[Anonymous]

Great comment about sex-segregated WN groups, Spartan. Unfortunately, I expect any female-led female-only organization to devolve into an organization that fraudulently exculpates all females for any wrongdoing or intrinsic flaws, and leads the group down into socialism. There was one all-female group 20 years ago that seemed alright.

WAU (Women for Aryan Unity) used to conduct clothing collection and redistribution for mothers of White babies born to WNs, not that that would be any more cost-effective than purchasing baby clothing new. I’ve never heard of any other all-female group, other than the League of German Maidens 80 years ago. I don’t predict that females in charge of anything can possibly turn out well.

In the Mormon Church, the all-female “Relief Society” completely took over all aspects of the church, and now the LDS is a powerless vassal of the Relief Society. 80% to 90% of Mormon missionaries are now female, and their perspective on everything is socialist by default. No wonder Mormon birth rates plunged to meet the national average over the past 15 years. In European dynasties, you end up with bulls like the “Pragmatic Sanction” in the HRE which, as an emergency measure, allowed females to become Empresses if it would “solve” a succession crisis.

As soon as one female’s allowed into power, then a precedent has been set, and Maria Theresa’s victory becomes Merkel’s and von der Leyen’s within 300 years. Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski saved Europe, but, soon after the Winged Hussars saved Vienna, the Pragmatic Sanction ended all-male dynastic sovereignty, and the Islamic conquest of Europe became an inevitability.

I’m persuaded that Whites can only save themselves as a coherent community as a function of the rapid and accelerating die-off of the Baizuo (“White Left”), and as a function of segregation in an independent armada. The metabolic theory of ecology (r/K selection theory, etc.) predicts that Frigids (circumpolars) can’t survive a shared infosphere or a shared physical habitat with Torrids (circumequatorials), and that the onset of the Columbian Exchange in 1492 was the bell that tolled the inevitability of the Eurocaust, unless the rapid depletion of alleles that code for leftism radically selects for European ethnosadism over the next 100 years, and unless that ethnosadism can be leveraged into independence in a ship-state that one might refer to as a Whitehold.

K strategists, such as Northwest Eurasians and Northeast Eurasians, are shrinking not merely because of human choices, but also because, when biosimilar K strategists and r strategists mingle, ecology demands that there be very few K strategists per r strategist over deep time. The Eurosphere is doomed because of allostasis (unconscious collective behavioral tendencies arising from a change to the ambient around them. Propinquity with Pocs ensured that leftist Whites would go extinct in no time flat, leaving only a shriveled rump, but one that will benefit from the self-cleaning aspect of the referent European gene pool Under Her Eye.

The gene pool cleans itself because leftists hate accountability and culpability, so they hate parenting. They also hate family. K strategists (Frigids) are necessarily punitively altruistic because prosociality is preferentially a circumpolar tendency. That punitive altruism scales up to ethnomasochism. It makes them more xenophilic. For that reason, the Japanese and the Irish are more genetically similar to one another than are people from neighboring tribes in Nigeria today. The Torrids move stochastically, meaning that they never travel far without turning, which means that they stop moving in any given direction when they meet people who don’t speak their language, or enact their customs. This is because they are xenophobic (ethnosadistic).

Xenophilic populations (like Occidentals and Orientals) mix together because of their intrinsic prosociality (xenophilia), but xenophobic populations (sub-Saharans, in particular) don’t do that. So Germans and Koreans are going extinct, but sub-Saharans aren’t. Ultimately, r and K are proxies for nature’s only two reproductive strategies, namely gene flow and gene drive. Gene drive means reproducing more rapidly than other groups do, which is what sub-Saharans are wont to do. Gene flow means forming multiracial empires, fusing languages together, and being relatively indifferent to the demographic composition of those empires. hence, the prosocial (K) modality is to embrace xenophilia, and to eliminate genetic diversity within empires by expressing their autochthonous xenophilic remit.

That’s why the Japanese and the Irish are, genetically speaking, very similar to one another. By contradistinction, African languages tended to circumscribe the maximum extent of any given polity. They didn’t form empires to the south of the Sahara, other than, perhaps, the multilingual precursors to Ethiopia, which is Afroasiatic, not African. Hence, r strategists are so virulently racist that they can’t even stand to comingle with tribes that have been their neighbors tens or hundreds of kilometers away, let alone conquer them, or even learn their language, or fuse languages with them.

That’s why the vast majority of allelic diversity in the entire human species is concentrated to the south of the Sahara. That’s not what this thread is about, of course, but it explains why and how ecologies prefigure future changes to allelic frequencies. My main point here is that, whereas Europeans of today are ethnomasochistic par excellence, the harrowing narrowing of the European referent gene pool will radically change the allelic frequencies within the Eurosphere, such that, as most Europeans die out, those Europeans who will succeed them will be heavily skewed towards a derived gene pool in which the conspicuous ethnomasochism of Europeans will be replaced first with an indifference to ethnosadism or ethnomasochism, and then by a categorical rejection of ethnomasochism, and its wholesale repeal and replacement by ethnosadism.

In that sense, we’ll rapidly become fundamentally more rate-strategic, with all of the appurtenant behavioral changes. We’ll become dramatically more fecund, much more racially loyal, and we’ll adopt a benign siege mentality. These are ecological certainties. It will halt the European demographic decline, but, by then, we’ll have fallen to around 1% to 3% of the population. But Jews wield a great deal of influence in the world, in spite of having less than half of one percent of the population. Ergo, because small, powerful, intelligent minorities can wield outsized wealth and influence, I predict that the racially-sequestered rump of the Eurosphere will see as their only possible means of coherent group survival the racially-segregated settlement of the Solar system beyond Earth.

It’s a prediction, not an ecological certainty, but it helps me sleep every night, whereas, much earlier in life, prior to reading “Ontogeny and Phylogeny,” I was convinced that Europeans had an incurable and unalterable death wish. Prosociality (K strategy, xenophilia, multiethnic imperialism, ethnomasochism, socialism / feminism, low fecundity, homonormativism, etc.) is imprinted within the European referent genome, but a much smaller subset of the European population is, instead, imprinted with the polar opposite prerogative, and the “Strange Death of Europe,” as one homosexual puts it, will be one in which the autochthonous character of the European mind will become iteratively more and more at odds with the ugly European mindset throughout all of history.

In simpler terms, the gene flow (xenophilia, expansionary settlement, expansionary wars to adumbrate Europeans into the global gene pool, etc.) that characterizes K strategists will start to be replaced by its opposite strategy, that of gene drive (demographic displacement through superlative fecundity). Those who want to mix out are those who aren’t xenophobic (rate strategic) in the first place, and so are those who want to forego reproduction (leftists).

Meanwhile, the bespoke gene drive (heritable penchant for fecundity) of White conservatives will be so much higher than the bespoke gene drive of White liberals that the rapid displacement of the prerogatives within Europeans to mix out and not produce heirs by the antipodean prerogatives to become more xenophobic and produce more heirs will make Europeans so alien in mentality, within 200 to 300 years, to those of today’s Europeans that it will no longer be useful to call them Europeans, inasmuch as their rate of cladoformation and allelic drift and allelic uniformity will have been carried out so rapidly that the two populations of Europeans–present and future–will have only their appearance in common.

I took the White pill. So, too, should you. Coherent morphotypes, such as those of Europeans, tend to remain coherent over deep time because, when populations decline steeply over short periods of time, it’s always because those populations are sloughing off their dead husk like a molting snake, rendering the population better able to recover the size of its population, and more prone to fending off invaders. Hence, when populations shrink rapidly, such as is happening with the rapid demise of the Baizuo, the rump populations become rapidly more rate strategic (ultimately, more “Africanized” in behavior, inasmuch as thy start to take on the behavioral tendencies of Torrids, rather than those of Frigids.

Such behavioral changes include not only dramatically higher fecundity, but also shorter gaps between generations. These two tendencies work in tandem to recover populations rapidly, and rapidly emergent xenophobia during the shift from K to r strategy tends to protect those rapidly recovering populations from parasitic populations. So expect a Balkanization of Europe, with what remains of the Eurosphere adopting a siege mentality, growing a spine, replacing feminism with patriarchy, and persisting over deep time. That’s why I think that Europeans will remove themselves from Earth, and, if possible, from Sol. Ecological prefiguration cannot be wrong. That’s not how that works.

I can be wrong, but not about ecological prefiguration. I can only be wrong about the probability that Whites will be able to detach themselves and sequester themselves beyond Earth over the next few centuries. White flight for the win. Moreover, I don’t know what the effects of ectogenesis (artificial wombs) or iterated embryo selection (accelerated artificial selection; designer babies) will be. Those are wild cards. They don’t change my prediction because I can’t predict their putative impact upon allelic frequencies within or without the gene pool of future Europeans.

But I’ve only been wrong once (when I took the black pill out of ignorance of evolution), so I like our odds. The Winter Soldier is emergent. The best of us will follow him into the Void, and they’ll found the Whitehold of better morrows, and erase the ignominious name of Europe from their history books, denouncing it for the folly of virtue signaling its own ugly death wish. Dream of distal invincible segregated armadas that are categorically uninterested in sharing infospace, let alone a shared reproductive habitat, with Pocs. Don’t count us out of the running just yet, Whiteholder.

[Anonymous]

Noble input, Dragons.

[Anonymous]

All of Spartan’s posts are those of a turbocuck in complete denial of reality, including self-evident evopsych. He’s an NPC. It makes me sick every time that I read his posts. Silverbacks often have that same opinion because they’re never exposed to privation, so they always have a deluded mentality of bountiful opportunities. Spartan’s a good guy and a smart guy. I’ve corresponded with him before.

[Anonymous]

We will Win! The hour may be dark, it is before the dawn, but light will come to this world again! Thank You Fren 🤗

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@Dragons

Yeah, it’s tough out there for sure. We’re all being tested in a way that previous generations can’t even comprehend. I have faith that the strong will prevail and we’ll find our way through this, just like we have before. The genome will sort itself out as Darwin does his work, but until then we are in for a wild ride while he does. Selection pressure is higher than it’s ever been. Even genetically fine specimens such as myself are having a rough time under these conditions. I honestly thought I had it tough until I started looking at what the incel community was all about. Those dudes are experiencing absolute brutality. Nature is as beautiful as it is brutal. It has a way of rebalancing itself in ways that can seem colder than ice, but that’s how it goes.

[Anonymous]

Also, I have Made a few contacts, not all dates necessarily, but contacts in our philosophical beliefs.

[Anonymous]

It’s not just WD, it’s the whole of the date o sphere.The parasites have used the nature of women and the nature of men against ourselves for several generations now, creating this vile situation we all find ourselves in. Thank you feminism! I do recommend a YouTube channel called hoe_math for some better understanding of illogical female nature, although, it is not just women, men have also been beat down and there have been several generations of ill breeding which has gotten us to where we are. I wish you luck in finding a suitable mate! You will need it.

[Anonymous]

I have had zero actual dates though this site and that when I was much more active on here before covid. 90% of women never reply and of the 10 percent that did it usually didn’t go very far, usually ending in ghosting on her part. I would say I have had 3 actual engaging conversations on here with only one of those ending in a positive way with us mutually agreeing to break it off due to our circumstances not aligning anytime soon.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

Years back I dated a couple women that I met on Stormfront. I’d heard that people getting together through that site was common though I don’t know if that’s still the case.

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@Shaughnessy

You hit the nail on the head.

I’ve never had a problem with attracting women. I’ve had my share of relationships and ‘flings’. Those aren’t a problem. I could go get laid or start some sort of fling without much difficulty. The difficulty is in finding quality women to have a meaningful and healthy relationship with who isn’t already emotionally ruined or severely scarred. Those truly are rare. By the time they reach their 20’s, most are already damaged goods and feminists (rather they identify as one or not). Those who aren’t are attached to their high school sweetheart and pursuing marriage, making them ineligible. One thing I’ve found in common in all healthy, enduring relationships is this: the wife’s husband took her virginity and they’ve been together since they were teenagers. If you aren’t married to your highschool sweetheart or in a committed relationship with her, and she isn’t saving herself for you, then it gets rather bleak in the dating market. It’s not impossible, but the odds are not stacked in the favor of a man attempting to lock down a wife who hasn’t already been passed around. The odds aren’t stacked in the favor of women either, as they have become adepts at sabotaging any chance with a truly ‘good’ man. Not only that, but such women don’t DESERVE such men, but good luck convincing them of that! They’d rather refuse to settle down with a man that matches their SMV, living in their delusional princess fairytale that they deserve the Brad Pitts of the world and anything less is insulting.

Notice the complete lack of engagement from women in these forums? It’s not surprising, though. I truly wonder why they even bother joining dating sites like this. They can get male attention anywhere, but I guess when you’re attention-w*ore maxxing, you explore your options and get it every place you can. This is another issue: women are spoiled rotten with male attention. It all goes straight to their ego. So I blame the simps and those who dole out compliments like it’s their job just as much as the women. Everyone should know better, but they don’t. Women expect Chad to simp for them the same way the simps do, and when he doesn’t, she’ll fish for it and easily get it anywhere on the internet by simply posting a picture of her ugly face.

The ends of the spectrum are extreme. On one end, you have absolute degenerates and dysgenic waste reproducing at a phenomenal speed without second thought, which the welfare state allows for. On the other, you have the Chads- fine genetic specimens and honorable men having their pick of the litter, wifing up whoever they choose and having children with them. Of course, even they get cheated on and treated like trash by these women, but they are meeting with some success in generating offspring. So it seems to be the extreme ends are reproducing more than everyone in the middle. The “average dude” doesn’t stand much of a chance in these conditions.

[Hunter]

Yet another young woman I was conversing with became a ‘Deleted User,’ this has happened several times now. It is very hard not to think that I am just wasting my time when it comes to the ‘dating game.’ The young woman on this website I went the ‘furthest’ with, ended up ghosting me after I explained that, during the plandemic, that I had no way (alas I don’t own a yacht, plane, or have relevant piloting expertise) of traveling across the ocean to ‘rescue her’ from her local oppressive repressive regime… and that indeed, ‘my’ local oppressive regime was not much better.

[Hunter]

As for the question of this thread, the answer is no. I have had some longer chats, but they have all died due to critical incompatibilities or the woman simply not replying after I start raising the level of the conversation. Women have too much power, if they hear a single thing that they don’t like, even if it’s insignificant, they’re done… they don’t even bother see if I look like Prince Charming. I’m now of the opinion that moving to in-person meetings ASAP is by far the best way. The problem is, there are not nearly enough women on this website for that… and women not on this website are 99%+ critically incompatible. I really regret not savoring the ‘fruits’ that were available to me in high-school and earlier, a few of whom may have made good wives, but that was a consequence of living in fear of my tyrannical Judaeo-Christian father.

[Hunter]

@A_Spartan_Speaks
You are from Greece, yes? Well the circumstances in the formerly White Anglosphere, in terms of relations between the sexes, is far worse.

@Shaughnessy the ratio you mention is a problem, but so is the mixed-sex grouping in the first place… unless you have the women ‘service’ all of the men. This is why I am of the opinion that single-sex organizations are the way to go. Have a WN group for men and one for women, like the old British Union did under Oswald Mosley. However, I don’t see anyway to cage hypergamy without strong cult-like control or control over the law…

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

@Shaughnessy-We must live in different worlds, because I have encountered many wonderfully submissive women over the years. In fact, I would say that most women are submissive to some extent.

[Anonymous]

I founded a WN group in BC, and led it for several years. The ratio was 6 males per female, and hypergamy was even more severe than it is in the rest of the West, in general, because the women know that they’re in such a small minority that men won’t hold them accountable for vile behaviour. I abandoned my own creation once it became a vessel for females to sleep around with the silverbacks, which only produced hostility between incels and silverbacks. Women will never vilify silverbacks, including habitual cheaters, who are protected by preselection. Women don’t tend to care if men are loyal or promiscuous. Being “White Nationalists” doesn’t eliminate 7 million years of evolutionary prerogative. Women would tend to rather share a man than mate assortatively.

And, among the cheaters I’ve known in my life, around 85% of them were female. In my experience, they’re proud of their high body counts, as if it’s a marker of desirability, not only among women, but also among men. They resent being held accountable for cheating, or for enabling cheating silverbacks. They pretend that “hookup culture” is the fault of men, as if women entirely lack agency. The Sexual Revolution was enacted in favor of the insouciantly polygamous disposition of women. Pedestalizing WN women renders them impervious to scrutiny, and makes them feel that men should be expendable and invisible. I’ve dated plenty of WN women, mostly from Stormfront, but I’ve never met a submissive White woman in my life, indepedendent of her purported faith or ideological scruple.

I’m against MGTOW, which attempts to make a virtue of necessity, and which is a cope. Any woman on this site that blames men for trying to control women is, herself, a feminist. Society worked a lot better under coverture (arranged marriages, no divorce), which requires patriarchy, and which serves paternity certainty, monogamy, etc. Females evolved to deprive men of the ability to bake monogamy into society. Any concessions to promiscuity, reckless female sexual agency, and the like is a concession to feminism. But, if you say so in front of a WN female, her feminist imprinting will surface, and you’ll get the knee-jerk “controlling, abusive, misogynistic” hateful nonsense from them, and they’ll just ghost you for believing in the merits of evolved patriarchal sexual dimorphism.

[Dude]

@WillOfEuropa – I haven’t really noticed many Christian women on WD. Are these women you mention indicating or not indicating their religious views on their profile?

[Dude]

@Ralf

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Instead what I meant was traits like empathy, consideration, gentleness – in essence, a willingness to consider the thoughts and feelings of others, rather than viewing these people merely as a resource to be obtained.
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Disconcerting… Your framing is apt, and I’m disappointed to hear this.

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Also, the absence of things like arrogance and/or inflated self-worth – i.e. a general refusal to recognize one’s flaws and work to rid oneself of them, as people like this do not improve and tend to blame others for their shortcomings.
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Good point.

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Without going into too much detail on the matter to keep my post concise, I believe the underlying issue to be the unwillingness to ‘bend’ as you touched on – that is, an aversion to sacrifice one’s own interests on some occasions, as is required in any functional relationship – whether it be with an individual or a society.
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I guess I didn’t mean ‘bend’ quite like that, but where you are taking the topic makes sense.

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[Anonymous]

I’ve had a few replies saying they wish I were Christian. This absolutely plays a role. We have several far reaching rifts among us whites. Our own kin are ideologically atomized.

[Anonymous]

@Dude

While I think there is truth to what you’re saying, and I believe that these matters are a contributing factor, I do have to say that most of this doesn’t match my particular experience.

It seems to me that this is to some extent more of a symptom of an underlying disregard for other people, which I will get into in a bit more detail below.

When I remarked on ‘higher quality women’ in my previous post, I did not mean ‘agrees with me on societal questions’ – rather, questions of this nature either didn’t come up until after I had already made up my mind about their character, or didn’t come up at all.

Instead what I meant was traits like empathy, consideration, gentleness – in essence, a willingness to consider the thoughts and feelings of others, rather than viewing these people merely as a resource to be obtained.

Also, the absence of things like arrogance and/or inflated self-worth – i.e. a general refusal to recognize one’s flaws and work to rid oneself of them, as people like this do not improve and tend to blame others for their shortcomings.

So really, what I was seeking were basic personality traits which make a healthy relationship possible in the first place, not anything fancy.

Without going into too much detail on the matter to keep my post concise, I believe the underlying issue to be the unwillingness to ‘bend’ as you touched on – that is, an aversion to sacrifice one’s own interests on some occasions, as is required in any functional relationship – whether it be with an individual or a society.

The interests of multiple different people with different levels of intelligence, personality traits, priorities in life, et cetera, will never fully allign, and so it is important for people to be able to yield, and do so gladly when the time is right.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

Fortunately, in Greece, women aged 18-25 are segment of the population most likely to support Golden Dawn, so lots of attractive young women who share my worldview.

[Dude]

@Ralf – Disappointing to hear. I suspect an inherent problem beyond a lack of women on WD is the wide variability on views that lead people here.

For most people near the political and societal middle, most people they meet could be a partner. For us here, we are not near the middle in the first place. Moreover, just because we are all here doesn’t mean that the men and women here have sufficiently compatible views/values/etc for a relationship. The things that led us here also seem to have created a wide chasm of values/views/etc between us, despite things we may and do have in common. Further still, I suspect the people on WD are high in trait disagreeableness. We think for ourselves and are unlikely to bend. Being willing to bend might, in part, be required for relationship success. Though it is probably far superior to find someone with whom you do not have to bend to in the first place – and can talk through differences with instead.

A better route to success may be analogous to what Benito mentioned.

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[Benito]

Go to Romania. This is where I am at. If you walk around long enough and see 2 or three girls talk to them. Eventually any guy will get a date..

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[Anonymous]

Replies? – yes.
Longer conversations? – yes.
Dates? – no.

Since you asked for a sanity check, I will elaborate a bit:

I very much agree that the amount of women who are even somewhat racially aware is quite low, both on here, as well as elsewhere.
But more importantly, the women who are of higher quality are a fraction of this total in my experience, thus making it so that merely finding “a woman” on our side is not at all the same as finding “a good woman”, or “a woman who is relationship material”.

In my case, the few who appeared to be of higher quality initially, turned out to not be of such high quality after all (and I’m putting it mildly) when I had ‘dug deeper’ into their personalities.

A lot of us are in a similar situation as you are, so if it is of any comfort – you’re not alone.
In times like these I think it is important to remember that women aren’t everything, and that being with the wrong person is worse than being on your own – take your time, continue work on yourself, and be careful out there.

In any case however:
Good Yule, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and everyone else, both in this thread and on the whole site!

[Dude]

I got a couple of replies, nothing more.

[Ted]

I got a video chat date a couple months ago. Admittedly, I haven’t been putting in much effort.

[Anonymous]

I need a sanity check. I have messaged quite a few women on here and rarely get replies. I don’t have a membership anymore because I wasn’t getting anything out of the messaging. Is anybody here finding any success?

Without more women I feel this site is just a waste of time. And it’s not just here either. On any other medium there are few white women? Where are they all at?

[Author]

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