[Hunter]

A one-way flight to any ‘nation’ in Africa for all non-Whites and traitors who fail to self-deport is ideal.

[Hunter]

First of all, I live in North America. Deportation of all non-Whites on this continent would require a Hitler 2.0 on the subject of race and eugenics to somehow become president of the USA, followed by successfully purging all opposition, and then liberating Canada a la Austria. So… like 0.0088% chance of happening at best. More realistically, the big traitorous and/or non-White cities need to be made independent city-states like Singapore, this would leave the countryside that is still largely White, the chance to establish new Constitutionally White Nationalist Nations. Balkanization is the most realistic hope for Whites in North America.

[Dude]

@Greys

I agree with you, but is it wise to apply pressure right off the bat? People will resist pressure simply because they can. Regardless of the specifics, I agree with your sentiment.

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[Anonymous]

@Dude

Did not know that about Greece quite interesting.I know Spain had a similar program earlier last decade but that just ended up dispersing them within the EU.

I do believe in encouraging self deportation but I also believe it needs a to be made clear they are leaving regardless.

There is something to admire about how Isreal pursues its goals so ruthlessly.Moving in what they believe to be the correct direction so openly as they know they can’t be stopped.

[Ted]

@Dude
“I want freedom but on the other how do we have freedom while retaining an element that sees and acts farther forwards then 4 year election cycles”

I don’t think the election cycle length is the real problem here. If there was a shared vision of our people and our destiny, that would transcend the coming and going of individual politicians. The things that threaten our freedom; silencing racially aware voices, disrupting racially aware organizations, restricting public weaponry, schools raising kids to love government control, government spying, Digital ID, the great debt reset, etc, aren’t strongly tied to executive branch administrations spending ~1.5 years pandering for votes.

“How do we translate from theory and discussion to some sort of meaningful result?”
Donate to pro-White organizations, such as National Alliance, National Justice Party, givesendgo.com/peeracademy, etc. These organizations attract bigger thinkers that can help figure out solutions the rest of us can do.

Besides supporting top-down groups, work on making parallel societies.
Buy at White-owned businesses. Establish food buying relationships with small producers, try to establish alternative trade means like silver, cryto, or barter. Send our kids to people in our group for supplemental education. Maybe try to use digital radio networks as a low-bandwidth internet alternative for private coordination. Through these sorts of efforts, we might start to get enough people together for small businesses.

Our people have some natural advantages that make us good employees. We might use that plus unity from racial awakening to pool funds to buy small businesses. The profits from those small businesses could go towards funding more small business acquisitions, on paper owned by the people that work there. Eventually, this underground confederation might be able to buy medium-sized businesses, big enough to be able to hire random out-of-work White people, and to get into state-level lobbying. As it gets bigger, it might start making private schools, local media outlets, community banks, entertainment etc, all with a covert aim of advancing White interests.

[Dude]

@Greys

I agree with you. My point is slightly more than I wrote though. Those who will self deport should be encouraged to self deport. Then there will be more resources available to spend on those who do not self deport. I believe Greece is or was doing something along these lines, encouraging the immigrants / refugees to take some sort of business program. Then, they are given a starting amount and sent home. It ended up saving Greece a certain amount of money for every person who chose to take the program.

Yes, Israel is successful because they ignore others to achieve their goals. This is true.

[Anonymous]

@Dude

Problem with self-deportation is that some will resist it and we have seen how little it takes for these animals to abandon any pretence of being civilised. Unfortunately force will be required to keep our people safe from their savagery

Israel is very successful at forced deportation because they ignore all others in favour of their long term objectives. The only thing we could possibly have to learn from them I think

[Dude]

Also – encouraging and setting up systems for self-deportation is probably the best approach in my opinion. Saves you the trouble of doing it by force and all the issues that go along with that.

However, Israel seems to have been successful at forced deporation….

[Dude]

@Ted

Some random thoughts regarding the US system and foreigners

The system of freedom works (or could work) provided the rules are set for the right play. With our current system, the ‘freedom’ given seems to provide leeway for bad behavior from those who don’t value the system or its people in the first place. Our election cycle is also too short. So on the one hand, I want freedom but on the other how do we have freedom while retaining an element that sees and acts farther forwards then 4 year election cycles…

Ultimately, all of these topics are nice but… How do we translate from theory and discussion to some sort of meaningful result? Though I suspect such a meaningful result would in and of itself take one or more generations.

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[Ted]

@AeonKnight

“I think “how would a civil war go if we don’t send them back” is still within the topic”
Okay, it’s not completely unrelated, but civil war is a bit of a premise stretch. I could maybe bring it back around by talking about Jewish involvement in bringing Blacks to the Americas in the first place, to argue they should be held financially culpable.

The Jews are a parasite that’s attempting to engineer its host. That is a precarious undertaking. They want to rule over light brown IQ 90 rootless mixed-race people who’s identity comes from consumerism. That would leave the Jews to be the brains of the operation. However, the Jews are optimized to manipulate Europeans. I suspect a less empathetic people that clearly register Jews as a different skin color wouldn’t grant them the status they seek.

They’ve already made it a social taboo for Whites to insist on having White partners only. It’s not such a big jump to go from that to making it taboo for Whites to have White partners at all. In a scenario 3 or so generations out, when our percentage of the population is low, and even the senior citizens were raised on the idea Whites are a uniquely evil people that should be peacefully phased out, there will be a fair number of Whites that fight to prevent non-miscegenation.

America’s rural White areas have higher average IQ scores than urban areas, and rural people need to be much more self-sufficient. I’m sure “fly over country” would kick their asses in ground warfare, but mass drone bombing may be another matter.

I can only hope people were withholding their true knowledge due to it being a social taboo, and the fact they were being polled by a famously vindictive organization. However, the ADL only makes money if people are worried about “hate” and donate. They have every incentive to exaggerate it’s magnitude, and yet they wail about only 2-3 thousand acts of recorded antisemetism a year -in a nation of 330 million. That doesn’t indicate much Jew awareness. Then again, I haven’t been doing anything to get our numbers up, and I think I’m Jew-wise.

My understanding is that America was founded by Freemasons, with an eye towards overthrowing monarchies in Europe. Hence freedom of religion is the first part of the first amendment of the constitution; it was designed to hamstring legal action against the Jews from the beginning. Also, a government designed around restraining it’s own powers and being hands-off on the citizens was perfect for the rise of Jewish power. However, as for the next government, I think the concept with the most widespread appeal is a patch and reboot of the first constitution, which the conservatives consider a document of crowning genius. It would be interesting to see how it plays out.

I do feel less defeatist now, thanks for the words of encouragement (• ◡•)

[AeonKnight]

@Ted

I think “how would a civil war go if we don’t send them back” is still within the topic haha.

“However, I’m doubtful awareness is spreading as fast as it needs to in order to avoid Whites being a minority in my country, which is deadly in a “democracy”. In the name of the environment, racial justice, or something, they’ll pass a law limiting the number of children people can have, while keeping the immigration floodgates open. Once our percentages are low enough, I’m guessing like 20%, their anti-white hate propaganda may allow them to outlaw Whites having White kids.”

If we ever reach this level of full mask-off, open-war declared scenario, it is game over for the Jews, whether it comes from their own hubris or as a last-minute desperate measure. The Jews managed to succeed in the Bolshevik Revolution, for example, because they had all of the armed farmer White boy chads fighting the government for their lives. Although American ZOG has foreign forces occupying itself and other White nations, they are literally cholos and women who will definitely not fight to the death just to secure a residence permit. They only do what is easy and risk-free anyway, do you think they’ll die for Jewish mysticism that they aren’t even aware of? Africans, with their trademark delusions, would think it’s a good idea to segregate or to try and conquer Whites. Both ideas lose. The entirety of the Jewish plan relies on trying to kill what sustains it, one of these things being armed farm boys: whatever you may think of American “White trash”, they are miles above any POC, and even the retards will side with Nazis over paedophiles, or a government that has declared open war on them racially.

“In 2020, only 11% of polled Americans responded “yes” to “Jews have too much power in the United States today”. 24% said yes to “Jews have more loyalty to Israel than to America”. ”

I’ve seen many more favourable stats in recent years, but regardless: the Jew’s bread-and-butter is confusion. They rely on bringing attention to a problem while at the same time undermining it for propaganda (much like Jewish comedy that seems to expose their M.O. while at the same time making fun of it, bringing it to the realm of absurdity). I would not be surprised if these are straight-up fake stats to demoralise people who know, or at most taken from a sample of UCLA Gender Studies class. Also, most people will lie on polls, especially when you have a political organisation asking them “do you hate us!?”. If we weren’t on a good trajectory, they have made sure that we are now, in more ways than one.

America IS finished, because even in the earlier, more racist days it was still founded upon nonsense like slave-morality, civic identity, imaginary “rights”, and so on – it was never a nation in the natural sense -, but the living-space can and will be used after an inevitable racial war to create a real blood-and-soil European nation.

Cheers!

[Anonymous]

Why over complicate things? No one owes anyone else period. It’s called self responsibility, self leadership, it’s on each living organism to survive and that’s what everyone does whether they think so or not. Life strives to live. We are slaves to nature. No more parasitism, nature will take care of the rest. Will there be die offs? Yes, everything will balance out and it’s been along time coming. Recognize nature to overcome it! I also agree that we have already won and nothing can stop what is coming. The shift has already occurred.

[Oscar]

“Should payments and compensation be given?”

I suppose you speak from the usual americentric POV. For the European countries, this notion of course makes no sense since WE are the autochtonous here.

If we consider the interracial question in the US, it doesn’t make more sense. You’re speaking as if the US were’nt already a lost cause.

Euro-descendants are a minority among births since 2016 (the date itself is a symbol) and this “we should/we’ll do” speech a way of assuming that white people control the game as a racial group with well-defined interests shared by all its members, which is obviously not the case.

1) Whites are on their way to become the largest minority in a northern Brazil utopia.

2) some Whites play against their team and shoudn’t then be considered in your demographic equation

3) good luck to convince DaShawn to retrieve his “verus wakanda” roots and leave the place, his EBT and his usual looting. Remember that most Blacks arrived in the US before most Whites (1849 gold rush, 1880’s) and they genuinely consider themselves as much Americans as you.
the better plan would be the creation of a new Haïti in the South and let the Dixieland Whites with the real black awareness go settle in the North-West, outbreed the local blue-haired blobs and begin something serious.

but we’ll know that won’t happen, because the US State has zero intention of changing its paradigm (brownies for growth) and is nowhere to collapse despite al the wishful thinking.

the US are a failed experiment of the Enlightment era about a social contract nation and the locals should -seriously – begin to think about the next step on the personal level and not “repair the nation” because otherwise, their descendants won’t resemble them at all.

[Ted]

@AeonKnight

I am getting entirely off the thread prompt here, so I feel obligated to keep it short. However, this thread is little trafficked, and Seb quit the site, so I also feel like it doesn’t matter.

There are many reasons to expect White people to make it past this calamity. Thus far, the Jews always get kicked out in the end. Whites in organized warfare have been known to have outrageously high kill ratios against non-white combatants. It’s said that in the American revolutionary war, just 3% of the population fought; a small motivated faction can overthrow a government, and we live in a time of unprecedentedly low public motivation. I agree our would-be opponents are more ravaged by decadence than we are. If just 1% of the aforementioned 700,000,000 show up to fight, we survive.

However, I’m doubtful awareness is spreading as fast as it needs to in order to avoid Whites being a minority in my country, which is deadly in a “democracy”. In the name of the environment, racial justice, or something, they’ll pass a law limiting the number of children people can have, while keeping the immigration floodgates open. Once our percentages are low enough, I’m guessing like 20%, their anti-white hate propaganda may allow them to outlaw Whites having White kids.

In 2020, only 11% of polled Americans responded “yes” to “Jews have too much power in the United States today”. 24% said yes to “Jews have more loyalty to Israel than to America”. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/antisemitic-attitudes-usa-guide-adls-latest-poll

The ADL has a list of 11 Jewish stereotypes they use in the poll (basic items of Jewish awareness). In 1964 29% affirmed at least 6 things, and it steadily fell to 11% by 2020. That doesn’t mean things haven’t turned around by 2023, but we weren’t on a good trajectory, and that was with decades of an internet less censored than now.

And on that note, Hail Victory!

[AeonKnight]

@A_Spartan_Speaks

I agree and have done the same to random POCs that I’ve encountered.

@Ted

“If we leave alone “le based Black man” (especially early on), more of those conservatives would eventually come around to a cultural philosophical change, instead of being locked into taking a stand against early on. Even if you wanted to betray the 10% later, I think we get off the road to extinction easier with a bit of compromise up front.”

I completely agree. That is the superior plan. I’ll just fight against your uncertainty in our victory with two main points: 1. We have gone through many extincton-level events before. Mongols killed 50% of Russians in 2 years when they first invaded, as one example. Currently we have massive numbers, some 700 million globally if I’m not mistaken. Even if you argue that they have decreased in quality, so have our enemies (and to a higher degree, I’d say — the Jews have become drunk on their own poison and hubris, and the browns are, well, browns); our competence and strength lives in the collective, genetically and metaphysically. And 2. The internet. No longer do people believe that governments are run by their own people; even if they can’t arrive at the ZOG conclusion, they accept that they’re in the very least hostile elites that want to enslave the planet. Although not perfect, we have immediate access to news and can connect to any other White on Earth. Misinformation also affects them, and when it comes to actually sorting out the chaos and fight an open conflict, Whites are undefeated. Hubris of our own is not what I’m justifying, but we should keep this in mind.

“I think the self-described “very liberal” only have something like 0.7 children per woman. They’re already phasing themselves out. Only self-described “very conservatives” exceed replacement rate.”

Reason no. 9238742876128947 why Judaic thinking is self-destroying haha.

“I’ve thought about compartmentalizing society’s failures that way for a long time; give them a bed, food, and their vices produced with economies of scale. Get rid of the bums. Fentanyl is cheap. The Great Reset proponents want to offer something similar, “free” food, housing, and consumer rentals (no private property). If everyone that sort of thing appealed to was already gone, they’d have a lot less foot soldiers for ZOG technocracy. ”

There are many policies I’d love to discuss at length, but maybe in another platform as to not oversaturate the forums. I will say that all of ZOG’s agendas have a eugenic effect, as all evil does.

“Zion Don”

LOL I haven’t heard this name before, it fits him perfectly. Yeah, like POCs they must be adjacent to White society to survive, especially being addicted to luxury as they are.

Thank YOU for the conversation and the good points — I hope you all are having a great time and spending the holidays with family.

White Power!

[Ted]

@AeonKnight

It’s exactly as you said, they don’t have the capacity to pay us back even if they wanted to. Paying to get rid of them is a mere processing fee next to what they’ve cost so far.

I’m willing to go full pragmatist for a timeline that includes ongoing White existence and self-rule. I’d trade many indignities for it, because I’m not confident we’re going to make it.

We’re currently on the road to extinction. Having a 100% White country sounds really nice, really safe, and like everyone could share in the sense of belonging to a giant extended national family. However, if we aim for something less, like 90% White, then we could neutralize some elite non-Whites during our uncertain fight for survival, and have a lot less conservatives to fight. If we leave alone “le based Black man” (especially early on), more of those conservatives would eventually come around to a cultural philosophical change, instead of being locked into taking a stand against early on. Even if you wanted to betray the 10% later, I think we get off the road to extinction easier with a bit of compromise up front.

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I think the self-described “very liberal” only have something like 0.7 children per woman. They’re already phasing themselves out. Only self-described “very conservatives” exceed replacement rate.

I’ve thought about compartmentalizing society’s failures that way for a long time; give them a bed, food, and their vices produced with economies of scale. Get rid of the bums. Fentanyl is cheap. The Great Reset proponents want to offer something similar, “free” food, housing, and consumer rentals (no private property). If everyone that sort of thing appealed to was already gone, they’d have a lot less foot soldiers for ZOG technocracy.

They get hysteric about fascism, but they thought Zion Don was fascism personified, and they didn’t move away during his term.

Thanks for the reply, good conversing.

[A_Spartan_Speaks]

As Kai Murros says the desire for revenge is the most basic, and primal of all human emotions; and when that desire for revenge reaches critical mass among Whites it will be a matter of non-Whites not being able to go back to their shit-hole countries. I’ve been advising non-whites for a while now that they should leave our countries, now, while the getting is good, while they are still able to do so.

[AeonKnight]

@Ted

I am against paying Africans any money at all, although it might be the only (or the quickest, I’ll take it) way to get them out of here, since it’s more palatable to normies. Like I said: it depends on how fast the awakening goes. We shouldn’t be nicer to them than we have to in order to get results. I am for the vice/cheap gibs incentives though — Africans eat that nonsense up. One issue: the maybe 1% of Africans that have a triple-digit IQ will want to stay and will make use of all of the civic arguments possible, and Whites might fall for it given our nature (the conservative movements are plagued with this), so an actual philosophical change must be promoted, which leads to forceful deportation all the same — a tautology. I am also for the propaganda promoting “evil racist Whites” and a “Wakandan utopia”, but even Africans can assess that they have a lot of comforts living with Whites, so it needs to go even further, or they must have very few choices other than leave.

I did have an idea some time ago to promote more in-group preference eugenics on our own (and also remove biological liberals) which is the same as your incentive: give them money to leave. Some 100k or so for unfixable Whites to go live with POCs free of White supremacy. I actually think most would opt to take it rather than endure Fascism.

Regards.

[Ted]

“Should payments and compensation be given?”

(1) Back in 2014, the lifetime tax deficit of the average Black American was ~$750,000.
(2) There’s additional costs if you want to put a dollar value on them being 18 times more likely per capita to commit murder on a White citizen vs a White to kill a Black. Similar deal on rape, armed robbery, etc.
(3) You might also put a dollar value on the opportunity cost of diversity hires/college enrollment, a 1990’s study suggested it was costing 4% of GDP to put less qualified candidates in prestigious places.
(4) You might put a dollar value on cities being ruined, like Detroit, Baltimore, Charleston, and shitting up the schools our children go to, plugging up our prisons, stressing social services, and so forth.

Therefore, It’s a good deal to pay $750,000 to get rid of a single Black newborn (yes, I’m excluding interest rates and future value of money). Now, how much would it cost to get a Black American to emigrate? Liberia was a country America setup for descendants of (the mostly Jew’s) Black slaves to return to their mother continent. The median annual income in Liberia is $650, with a median life expectancy around 65 years. So, a newborn Black could retire in Liberia for $42,250 on average.

So, for perhaps a program cost of $100,000 each, we could offer them the possibility to move to Libera (and renounce US citizenship) and never work again. We’d make a bunch of housing to accommodate the American Blacks, maybe with some artsy 1-story 3D printed concrete structures. We’d show videos of these nice planned communities, and for several years provide electricity and garbage services so Blacks there could video chat with friends back home about how great early retirement is. This combined with a pull-back on social spending and diversity preferences would probably get many takers without a single shot fired. We could probably empty the prisons this way too, telling them they can go retire in Africa instead if they want.

“How far should it go?”
See how well it works voluntarily. It might get rid of the most expensive Blacks and Browns first, lowering the impetus for their wholesale removal. If things came to a wholesale removal scenario anyways, it could still reduce the number of people we have to fight by millions.

“Who should a general move like this cover?”
Whoever gets automatic Liberian citizenship. They’ll give free citizenship to American Blacks returning to the motherland, but I don’t know how they define Blackness. In the US, The 13th amendment may be circumvented, because the program could be offered to all Americans technically, but only the “Black” ones can get Liberian citizenship.

“What timeframe would you like to see?”
Immediately, start offering 100K (and release from prison) to individuals to renounce US citizenship and move to Liberia. Weather initial propaganda with the totally voluntary nature of it, and parrot back their BS about how evil and racist America is and how Blacks should leave now for their own safety because of White cops or something. Then within a year or so, get the planned communities built, change the deal to a lifetime retirement stipend and free housing. Then actively support it for about 6 years, see how it goes, reassess. We might have “food Aid” programs redirected their way, or make them booze on a large scale from surplus US corn harvest, work out a deal to get them TV streaming services for cheap, or other inexpensive pacifying methods.

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[AeonKnight]

@Seb

“Should payments and compensation be given?”

Absolutely not. If anything, they should compensate us for the trillions in welfare, inventions, life improvements, etc., but since the browns literally cannot provide value even if they wanted to, I’d be happy with just having them shipped back. A nation is supposed to compensated a group for trying to replace it? Insanity. Immigration as a whole is an absurd idea — it’s fine if it’s the same race of people, as nations begin as racial constructs and then develop into social ones, but a nation IS a race.

“How far should it go. Who should a general move like this cover?”

The percentage of non-Whites I’m willing to tolerate is 0%. Not 0.00000001%: 0%. I would also massively limit non-White tourism and make it exclusive to very few nations, and also with a total yearly limit. Tourism has ruined many places in Italy and made them into a Disneyland for the amusement of materialists, forcing natives to move out. Not to mention vandalism of our monuments. I would love to see White-only establishments like the Japanese do for their own, for people who don’t even want to run the risk of glancing upon a non-White.

“What timeframe would you like to see?”

It depends on how fast the awakening goes/how fast the Jews overplay their hand. I’d give all POCs a few weeks to leave on their own or be forcefully deported, and a massive fine and jailtime for people hiring or housing them, or NGOs subverting racial hegemony.

If I say more, it’ll become a fedpost.

I’d love to hear any other opinions.

Cheers!

[Anonymous]

Want to get a general sense of where everyone is at regarding this issue especially countries different from my own.Mainly just me trying to find differing perspectives

Should payments and compensation be given?
How far should it go. Who should a general move like this cover?
What timeframe would you like to see?

Also if you’re against it I would like to hear why
Feel free to discuss in as much or as little detail as possible

[Author]

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