[Hunter]

@Wynn, you make some good points. However, the panhandle of Alaska is almost as habitable as Washington. I encourage you to research Prince of Wales Island (Alaska). Despite the downsides, I still view Alaska as the best hope for a potential new pro-Liberty (and even pro-White) nation: https://wd.easytodo.in/dating-site-for-white-people-groups/alaska/

[Ida]

I looked into Alaska for a similar reason – freedom from tyranny, My conclusions after a few hours of research is that the oil/fuel there means the USA would fight for it harder than I previously thought – though I don’t know how much fuel or money is generated from Alaska.

But, my second conclusion was that there were only a few areas where it was warm enough to grow things and even then only for about 4 months a year. So, most things would have to be imported, there’d be huge sacrifices and/or changes in our way of life, and with the weather problems, even imports might only be able to be brought in a few months out of the year. I doubt most people moving there for nature, solitude, and/or freedom would want to move to the heavy populated areas. I wouldn’t.

Also, without the might of the USA defending Alaska, I’d fear Russia re-taking it in 25 or 30 years from now – when I am too old to fight well and people’s kids would be burdened with such a fight.

[Hunter]

Unfortunately, Europe is under a regime more oppressive in many ways than the old USSR. I use EUSSR to describe the EU domination of Europe. The genocide of Whites is official policy there, perhaps even more-so than here in North America. The only European country I’d consider moving to is Norway, and only if I found a Norwegian wife.

[Alumnus]

Geopolitics: if we lose America, we lose Europe.

[Ida]

No one has agreed with me on this, but I gotta say it anyway:

All whites who are ethncocentric and don’t want to see the end of the white race should return to Europe, the Mother Land that we evolved on, and help the whites already there kick out the nonwhites and the liberal leadership who are ruining the white race.The nonwhites can take our places in the Americas, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and any other place we left.

White people belong in Europe and nowhites do not. I’ve never been to Europe, but when I learned about my rH-negative blood type and compared the percentages all over the world of rH-negatives, I got a much stronger feeling about who I was genetically and which peoples I belonged with.

Incidentally, Russia is accepting some Americans and Australians to apply for citizenship as long as they are willing to make lots of babies (pretty sure they want WHITE!) and are willing to learn Russian. Most going there are farmers.

My understanding is that there is a slight shortage of men there and that Russian men drink too much, hit their women, and cheat on them. So, a fit, young white man might have a chance of getting married there. I wouldn’t trust their government, but I don’t trust ours, either.

[Hunter]

“I think it’s not the fascism that made National Socialism special, it was the focus on the well-being of the native racial group. That’s the part the Jews can’t use.” Yes, Mussolini, and especially Franco, were not revolutionaries, but reactionaries. National Socialism under Hitler was both reactionary and revolutionary. The revolutionary aspect was in official adoption of eugenics and the focus on the triumph of the greater race, the pure White race, the Aryans. It is this revolutionary aspect of National Socialism that I can most appreciate.

[Anonymous]

In terms of “organizations that look toward our future” I happen to own the following domain names: WorldWhiteCongress.com and WorldEuropeanCongress.com

Anyone else interested in starting a “World White Congress” or a “World European Congress”?

[Ted]

@Alumnus
Is China capitalist?
I think China is national socialist; It seems to have private businesses, the government has arbitrary power to enforce “the public good” on private businesses, and it’s a state that protects the interests of primarily ethnic Han Chinese.

Does wealth or poverty attract more money?
Poverty in China attracted investment, poverty in Africa not so much. Perceived future value attracts money, regardless of if wealth is already there, but developing nations have generally been seen as having more future value over the last century or so.

Wealth or poverty, soldier value
Wealth can make soft men, but as seen with America in WW2, it also lets them dump limitless shells on the enemy and develop wonder weapons.

The early USSR tried to have more democratic squads where the men could decline taking dangerous actions. It was a big failure, and they quickly reverted to the common ways.

Is it still capitalism if you have an FDA? There’s still privately held businesses, the government is still legally constricted against giving arbitrary commands, but now there’s some government intervention in the economy. An avenue for corruption has been opened, even as hopefully, others were closed. I’d have to say at that point it’s strictly speaking on the spectrum between capitalism and socialism, so, either a very capitalistic fascism, or a slightly fascist capitalism.

@SonofOdin
I think National Socialism still results in a small elite over the huddled masses, judging by the book “The Vampire Economy”. Where there’s power, you’ll get corruption, whether the balance of power lies more in business, the state, or balanced between them.

Given the failure of the 1933 “Business Plot”, it may simply be a coincidence of history that fascism wasn’t used as a tool of Zionist control too. I think it’s not the fascism that made national socialism special, it was the focus on the well-being of the native racial group. That’s the part the Jews can’t use.

Personally, I think the decline in American living standards, as considered from the perspective of affording housing, cars, tuition, and medical care, is being purposefully orchestrated, as described in Dr. Richard Day’s 1969 speech, relayed via the book “The New Order of the Barbarians”. It advances the New World Order.
archive.org/details/New_Order_of_Barbarians_remaster_tapes_1to3
archive.org/details/dunegan-lawrence-the-new-order-of-the-barbarians

[SonofOdin]

They say hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. I probably don’t have to tell you which stage of the cycle we are in right now. Capitalism and Communism are both flawed systems mean to favor a small elite over the huddled masses. Obviously if we had to choose one we would choose capitalism, but like most things in the world there are more than 2 options. Kind of like our political system, both the GOP and Democrats are pieces of shit, two sides of the same coin. When forced to choose the lesser of two evils we support the GOP but we know we could do much better. Both capitalism and communism, like the two political parties in the US, are both controlled by and run for the benefit of Jews, particularly elite wealthy globalist Jews.

The Bolsheviek takeover of Russia was financed by Zionist capitalists. Think of it like this: In communism labor is mobilized against capital, and all but the upper echelon of the party and those with political connections live very well. In capitalism, capital is mobilized against labor, and while the huddled masses do better than under communism, the wealth gap continues to get bigger and the middle class continues to shrink. In the 1950s and 60s a man could have a high school education and buy a house while his wife stayed home and raised the kids, they could afford at least 1 often 2 vehicles, and the kids could go to college. Trying to keep your head above water today is difficult for a single person with only a high school education. And that is why National Socialism is a superior system.

[Alumnus]

@Ted

Free market means no FDA, no EPA, Caveat Emptor, etc. Your gramp getting scammed by a Nigerian “prince” on the phone, poisoned at the pharmacy by an Indian, scammed and injured at the doctor or dentist by a Pakistani or Jew, etc.

Capitalism is really too nebulous for me to want to critique here shortly and off the cuff, but it does lead to monopoly – a single firm owning everything. Lenin was correct on that.

Libertarianism means no police force and no strong military, especially when it comes to expensive advanced weaponry. Internal bedlam. No central authority. No state. No people. Especially when combined with capitalism. Most famous isms are mostly crazy and for having brainwashed goyim fight each other.

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[Alumnus]

@Ted

Regarding rich vs poor countries and wealth. I remind you of change. Is China capitalist? Who is more capitalist – China or the US? Is capitalism or communism or socialism more individualistic? Does wealth concentrate? IE, does wealth or poverty attract more money? What makes a better warrior or soldier, wealth or poverty, or some middle? Is a more effective military, more capitalistic or communistic in its organization and rewards system?

[Ted]

@Son of Odin

I’d never heard the term “Folkish Asatru” before, thanks for the term. Some of the first search results include the SPLC calling it a hate group, thus it already has the welcome of an enemy of an enemy. I have a hard time indulging in spirituality, but I’m interested to understand my people’s indigenous spirituality.

I hear Satanism is pretty much what’s believed at the top of Freemasonry, and especially Scottish Rite Freemasonry was made to serve Jewish supremacists. Do you know of different sects of Satanism? I’m wondering if there’s a specific strain the elite kid-fuckers do, and how it’s followers may relate to other Satanists.

[Ted]

@Alumnus

I Watched the first link. I didn’t know Rome too had been relabeled to Edom by Rabbis. I mistook it for their word for Rome, which they then expanded to all of Europe, then all countries run by White people. I could imagine in a 100 years China will turn out to be Edom if they’re the next super power, just as “Amalek” can be the NSDAP, Palestinians, Russians, whoever.

I’d read an essay by a Jewish guy in the early 20th century bragging about how Christianity was used to partially Judaize the Pegans and hobble Rome. I suppose that narrative does help them save face to their followers, “everything is going according to plan!”.

The “resurrection” of Christianity is just the speculation that Jewish authorities like Paul/Saul went from suppressing it to spreading it in gentile lands. I don’t have any evidence of a hijacking per se, nor can I say with any certainty that it was completely killed and then brought back for psychological warfare on gentiles.

Capitalism, Free Market, and Libertarianism do all still sound comfortable and indulgent to me (leave me alone and let me make money), and a richer nation has an advantage in war against a poorer one, but I do have to concede that they weaken both the race and the nation by fostering excessive individualism.

Often times when there are legitimate grievances, such as unscrupulous big business practices, I expect there’s Jewish sociopathy towards the goyim at it’s core. Just as whatever has lead to a 60% drop in sperm counts is largely ignored in favor of other “outrages” put before us, the Jewish asshole is obscured as just a greedy white man.

[SonofOdin]

After leaving the Catholicism of my youth and becoming Agnostic in my early 20s, I was looking for something more and researched and explored many different options. I even dabbled in Satanism to the extent I had a wall tapestry of Baphomet in my home and purchased and read a copy of The Satanic Bible by LeVey. While to this day I find LeVeyian Satanism preferable to Christianity, I found it to ultimately be too permissive and accepting of deviancy for me.

Then I found what I had been looking for for all those years: Folkish Asatru. This was the faith my my ancestors for thousands of years before their forced conversion by Semetic forces. It is a polytheistic faith, we honor many gods and goddesses, starting with Odin the Allfather and including Thor, Tyr, Freya, Heimdall and Baldr.

When I was approached about joining the faith I told the man that I am not a fan of religion and his response was that Asatru is not as much a religion as it is a way of life. It is not a dogmatic faith and we are encouraged to find our own path. A belief in the supernatural is not a requirement. I recognize the Gods and Goddesses and honor them as a way of connecting with my ancestors and honoring them. Sometimes I will call on Odin for Wisdom or Thor for strength, but that is a spiritual thing between me and the universe, it doesn’t require me to believe there really is some supernatural being that will intervene on my behalf and change my fate.

We live by the 3 fold mantra: Family, Folk, and Faith. We work and strive to achieve the 6 fold goal of Right, Might, Wisdom, Love, Frith and Harvest.

To achieve these we live every day doing our best to adhere to our 9 Noble Virtues of Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self Reliance and Perseverance.

I encourage anyone looking for spirituality in their lives to explore Folkish Asatru. There are 2 philosophies of Heathenism: Folkish and Inclusive. Adherence to the Folkish path believe that we as Northern and Western Europeans (although expanding more to include all Whites) have a racial and biological connection to the faith, and literally have divinity in our blood from Heimdalls’s visits to Midgard as Rig. Folkish Asatru only permits those of European stock to be members of the Kindred. Then there is inclusive Asatru, which as you probably guessed is open to anyone and is created and sustained by people who want to LARP at Renessaince Fairs and drink homemade mead from drinking horns at their get togethers but have no real concern for the future of our people or the 14 Words.

[SonofOdin]

One of the most important things that needs to be done is ending European man’s association obsession and adherence to Christianity and “Judeo-Christian” values and ideas. Our ancestors were for the most part forcibily converted to Christianity at the point of a swords. The Godhead of Christianity is a literal Jew, the early founders of the faith were all Jews, everything about the faith is Semitic and is a foreign religion that was forced on the European because of its profound ability to control and subjugate the masses with it’s top down hierarchy of control, and it’s core message to forsake this life on Earth and endure the most severe hardships and oppression with your faith in a divine Jew that loves you and offers an eterinity in paradise after physical life ends for those who follow his dictates. For those that stray from the path, worry not! Simply fall to your knees and beg the Jewish king for forgiveness and you will get your clean slate and ticket to paradise. Such an absurd premise as a core tenet of the faith means that the child raping murderer that makes a death row conversion and begs the King of the Jews for forgiveness and mercy will ascend yo heaven, but the Buddhist monk that spent his entire life in service to others and dies at the Temple of old age penniless and without any possessions to speak of, he must endure an enternity of fire and torment, because that is how any omnipitent, loving diety would behave.

There is nothing other than direct Jewish undermining and involvement in our affairs (of which I would argue Christianity qualifies as such) that has been a more destructive influence than Christianity. The sooner we as a people can throw that yoke off the better. Nietzche wrote extensively on his opposition to Christianity, and an excellent critique based on Nietzche’s writings can be found in William Gailey Simpson’s “Which Way Western Man?”

I am familir with Christian Idenity and other movements that try to claim ownership of this semetic nonsense by claiming Aryans are the true Israelites of the bible and other laughably retarded claims, and while I can see where there was a time where such shenanigans were useful in recruiting and the like, it has no place in serious discussions of the topic.

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[Alumnus]

@Ted

The Rabbis video. I believe the story the video tells is fiction. An old ploy by Rabbis to prevent their flock’s out-conversion. I mean what the Rabbis preach in the video is the ploy, rather than the more ancient ploy they claim their ancestors orchestrated. A side note: it is remarkable they are very wrong on anthropology and ancient and pre-history and comparative religion visa vie “Paganism”/”Heathenism” and Ancient Rome (ex. God-Creator and Monotheism vs “Paganism”, Rome descendent from Edom). Additionally, I noticed long ago that they had a bunch of ancient prophecies which they needed to keep relevant and it is why they renamed Rome to Edom. The last Judean royal dynasty was Edomite and it was supported by Rome. Also it is more efficient to redefine old vague prophecies, than to write new ones. That also leaves an escape hatch so that the Rabbi factions who did the redefining can be sidelined and some other faction can become the prominent prophetic one. I know there are similarities between some ancient Roman cultural elements and ancient Jewish ones, but there are more likely other reasons for them than Edom = Rome. These Rabbis also commit very obvious critical logical mistakes (ex. the Kohanim can perform Peter-or-greater-level miracles, but couldn’t save their country many times over).

Earlier, when you said “resurrected Christianity”, I guessed there was going to be some book systematically analyzing contradictions within the New Testament and within Early Christianity, illustrating some hijacking. I am fairly certain such works exist. I just never bothered to read them, because what I noticed on my own was enough for me. I am not asking for such, by the way, unless you happen to come across it in your own research. In that case I would appreciate tips.

The Uberboyo video.

This video probably is mostly educational for those who haven’t heard of or thought of the basic thesis as explained in the beginning. I hadn’t heard a few nice arguments so it was nice to learn them.

Like you said – entertaining. Old story, much better known than the Rabbinical one. A little oversimplified, a little disingenuous. Did Tertullian threaten to burn Pagans? I know much harm to Pagans happened on the orders and instigations of major fathers. I doubt the upper class was that childless, and I can think of extra reasons for conversion which are all much scarier – poverty, blood feuds, slave dependency, concentrating tendency of wealth, need of elite and state to unify diverse society (Christianity had more elements in common). The issues of importation of foreigners are presented too muddled and even self-contradictory in service of his thesis. Perhaps as well in service of a rightoid ideology? IE to cover up plain Capitalism, the Free Market and Libertarianism’s ineffectiveness and even sabotage in protecting cultures, nations, gene pools? I mean all those ideologies when they are espoused in the usual, over simplistic way, void of an overarching Nationalism which balances them out with their opposites for the benefit of higher goals.

The present is analogous even in respect to the legitimate grievances of the converting population. Some of the reasons Romans converted were logical reactions to problems in the Roman society of the time. Some of the reasons present day people become leftoid monsters is due to legitimate grievances with this society. Todays secret rulers brainwash with false dichotomies and other fallacies. Uplifting of the poor becomes Marxist revolution. Uplifting of women becomes Feminism. Of course nowadays we even have mostly invented problems covering up for other problems. Black and Brown deficiency becomes White Unfairness, Pathology, Birth Defect. Homosexual defect, mental illness, criminality and estrogen mimicking pollutants get covered up with the LGBTQP crusade.

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[Ted]

@RiverRavenFarm
Firstly, I appreciate your words of support for collective European well-being, and for restoring old western values.

In a related vein as Alumnus’ comments, I’d like to propose to you that the “Nazis” are extremely misrepresented because their mortal enemies control our news and academia. In a similar way as kids these days are taught the official 9/11 media narrative as history, we’re about four generations deep into WW2 propaganda as our creation myth of the Pax Americana. It’s not hard to see that the media of today deceives in favor of foreign wars. It’s not hard to identify many instances of highly dubious atrocity propaganda stretching back to the 1898 Spanish American war. It is however often harder to put it together that this applies to WW2 and the NSDAP too, because of the shear weight of conditioning we receive from childhood on that they’re a symbol of pure evil.

There’s multiple reasons it’s useful to scare kids about the NSDAP, thus creating adults that struggle to question the premise of their cartoonish villainy. Some of the reasons, reflected in your post, are that it stigmatizes nationalism, apparently masculinity these days, the potential use of force, and instills a fraudulent collective guilt complex in White children. If someone stands up in a crowd and starts calling for Whites to emancipate themselves from Jewish hegemony, this childhood conditioning we received will not only make their fellow tax cattle not listen, but turn on the speaker. If you’re from a small minority trying to slowly genocide a vastly numerically larger people that are among the best at organized violence, you want to condition them to never resort to violence, to not have a strong national collective identity to rally around, to not even recognize their very people as a group with legitimate interests, and it would be helpful if their men were pressured into being unmanly. This increases the odds they stay paralyzed as they’re slowly replaced with foreign peoples, who’s children are then raised on a curated anti-White telling of history.

None of this is to diminish the need for a positive alternative to modern culture. We need something to give people hope for a better tomorrow. I’ll applaud any efforts you make in that direction, but it won’t get far if you shrink from the task when they start calling you a “nazi” for it. Effective White advocates need to take that metaphorical bull-ring out of their septems, or else it will be used to yank them to the ground if they do anything that effective.

@Alumnus
I can’t find my earlier sources, but this video that I haven’t watched looks like it has evidence: youtube.com/watch?v=oTBgYWFvsio

The basic idea is that Christ operated exclusively in Judea and with only Jews for followers. In the Babylonian Talmud, Jews brag about getting the Romans to kill Jesus, thus circumventing their rules about killing fellow Jews. Saul, Judea’s head of security, spends years breaking up the followers of this new religious movement. Then, in his mid 30’s he suddenly “has a vision”, and goes to spread the word of Christ – exclusively over in gentile lands, as Paul. This new faith appeals to the slave classes, and undermines the Roman social hierarchy, and thus severely weakens Judea’s most dangerous foe.

Here’s a related video that’s geared more towards entertainment: youtube.com/watch?v=NjVXNm7ByMQ

[Alumnus]

@RiverRavenFarm

Why do you claim NSDAP were hypermasculine? Were they more so than the Americans, with heroes such as Washington, A. Jackson, Crockett, S. Jackson, Lee, T. Roosevelt? How about in comparison to other nations, such as the French, the Canadians and the Soviets? Isn’t hyper-individualism more masculine than hyper-soldierliness? Overall, how was the militant nationalism of NSDAP stronger than that of Allied countries?

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[Alumnus]

@Ted

Thank you for telling about the Rabbi compilations. I am very curious about that Christianity resurrection theory. I never knew anybody pushed it. It seems to me it requires a large amount of evidence to look good.

@RiverRavenFarm

Role modeling is very good. Positive doesn’t exist without Negative. Why do you say NSDAP were without morality?

[RiverRavenFarm]

Speaking purely for myself, I have generally found that the biggest cause to people of European heritage losing their sense of identity and kinship has been the post-war rejection of traditional “Western” civilization, values, traditions, and identity. For centuries our ancestors, despite linguistic, nationalistic and political (even religious) differences shared a collective awareness of participating in (and promoting or protecting) Western civilization. From Scandinavia to Spain, Britain to the Balkans, and in their colonies across the oceans our ancestors shared a positive, healthy, constructive way of life that for all its regional variations was infinitely more unified than not. After World War II our societies began rejecting that collective identity… the hyper masculinity, militant nationalism, and moral vacuum of the Nazis triggered a collective recoil in which many of our peoples have, to use the English idiom, thrown out the baby with the bad bathwater. We have allowed our rejection of the excesses and errors of our ancestors, including the Nazi movement, to overshadow all that our ancestors did right for so many centuries across the whole of the Western world.

We desperately need to foster and encourage a POSITIVE, family oriented, physically, psychologically, socially, and spiritually healthy vision of our peoples returning to that shared Western civilization. We don’t need anger, or violence, or hostility, or criticism. Shrug our shoulders, wink, and move on when we encounter people relentlessly fixated on self-destructive ideologies or identity crises that become self-perpetuating rage spirals ending only in toxic whirlpools of individuals and communities killing themselves off slowly. We can, and should, DEMONSTRATE a healthier traditional lifestyle and identity, offering those who have lost their way and are dying in the darkness of collective dementia a light and a way home to their heritage. Healthy white families, living happy, healthy lives, growing in population peacefully and improving the prosperity of their communities as good neighbors, good citizens, and good people.

Our ancestors built a better world than we currently inhabit. The way back cannot be destructive, emotionally or physically. But it can be constructive, each of us reaching out a helping hand to one another and encouraging the return of our collective traditions and identity through demonstrated healthy, happy families and lives.

[Ted]

Adam green started to get a following, and became big enough to get attacked. I think his video compilations of rabbi statements are quite damning, and threatening to our rulers. There’s a lot of “totally organic” posts accusing him of being Jewish to discredit him without taking on his evidence or arguments. I expect there’s also some unpaid hate that comes his way due to his position that Christianity was resurrected by Jews and spread in the west as a psyop to undermine the Roman Empire. Either way, doesn’t change what the Jewish texts say.

There’s no material that could be used to make a 12,000 Stadia tall cube that can land on earth’s surface. It does make me wonder about the Jewish-Saturn connection though, the black cubes, Saturday is their sabbath, sometimes Saturn and Satan are considered interchangeable, etc.

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[Alumnus]

Apologies for spamming.

Google search: new jerusalem borg cube.

[Alumnus]

You are correct that I didn’t get my info from Adam Green. I very largely did my own research. I first learned of him many years ago when he gave an interview on Red Ice. It seems his popularity grew much in the last few years. Somebody on goyimtv.com posts material critical of him but I don’t bother with it, because it seems like clickbait and BS. Maybe I am wrong, but for now it isn’t important to me.

[Alumnus]

I agree the Jews tell each other and the gentiles much fiction.

[Alumnus]

Thank you for the plan context.

[Ted]

Thanks for sharing, I was getting most of my Jewish book information from Adam Green’s show, so it’s reassuring that someone else draws the same conclusions from other sources.

The world metahuman idea fits aptly. They want to be the brain, the “light unto the nations”, the “nation of priests”. When I see articles or clips in Jewish publications about how “everyone looks to Israel for spiritual advice” or about how the gentile masses want Israel to lead them, I get the impression lots of Jews believe their own BS, they feel like they were made the leaders and they’re proud of it. Nobody I know looks to Israel for anything.

There is some cross over between the 25 points and the protocols. I’ve looked at an English translation of the book the protocols are supposed to have plagiarized from “The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu”. I went to the common passages, my impression was they were more shoe-horned into Dialogs in Hell. This book, supposedly from the mid 1800’s, also came with an excuse for why nobody had heard of it before the 1930’s Berne Trial; all the copies were supposedly seized when they were brought to the French-Belgium boarder. It’s claimed the French boarder security read the book, recognized Machiavelli in the book as a literary device to take a dig at Napoleon III, and had them destroyed. My impression is it’s more likely Dialogs in Hell is the forgery. As you say, the protocols describe their observed behavior.

[Alumnus]

What you say regarding the religion is what I already knew or in some cases had at least surmised. I once read an intro description of Kabbalah (this was obviously for Goyim). It admitted it teaches that all nations are ideally part of a sort of metahuman and serve as its organs. Examples were given, but not of who is the nervous system. The New Testament has some similar teaching regarding Christendom being part of Christ and needing to be perfect – the virgin bride for her bridegroom Christ.

Regarding the enumerated agenda, it may very well be a forgery, but like with the Protocols, I have been watching Jews push all that for decades and I’ve read enough to be convinced they have been doing so for generations. Even if I am wrong, their disgusting, repulsive, dangerous to the Gentiles religion, as demonstrated by their holy books, including very much the Pentateuch, is enough for me to reject them. I know by far enough history to say with great confidence, their old morality was not the way of the whole world back then, especially in their neighborhood. And again, either way, today they still use the same holy books and much more – the evil is greatly elaborated on in the Talmud. The Talmud fairly tightly logically extends The Old Testament.

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[Ted]

Happy to share with someone else who’s interested.

The “millennial sabbath”, the year 6000 for the Jews, is supposed to be a thousand year period of global domination. As Jews take their 7th day of the week for rest, their 7th millennium is supposed to be a time when they won’t need to work or toil. In this “kingdom to come”, ruled by a descendant of David, on a throne in Israel, goyim “servants” will do everything for them. The year 6000 is something from the Zohar of the Kabbalah books, but the basic parasitism of their world victory, I believe is in the regular Torah, and not just the Talmud “oral Torah”. People think of Kabbalah and the Talmud as being where the inflammatory statements are, and that’s true, but I think a lot of their end goal is right there in the Torah. In particular their covenant with god -they keep the religion and do the traditions, their reward is a vast city where the food and labor is provided by foreigners.

Another thing to watch for is Noahidism. I bet it’s a generation or two off, but they’re going to widely push it eventually. It’s a religion that establishes the Jew as superior, and the Noahide as inferior, but allowed to live. There’s Noahides around today, but things are put very misleadingly euphemistically to them. It’s intended to replace Christianity and Islam one day, to make people feel like serving the Jews is their divine duty. One of the Jewish books describing the Kingdom to Come says that all gentiles will accept the 7 Noahide laws or be killed.

The 25 point plan was actually from 1773. Rothschild got together with 12 elite families to share the plan. Sometimes I see reference to a “committee of 300” which controls powerful NGOs, and a “crown council of 13” above them. I wonder if the crown Council is those same 12 families plus the Rothschilds.

Here’s a copy and paste from someone else’s translation and summary of the 25 points:

1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.

2. Preach “Liberalism” to usurp political power.

3. Initiate class warfare.

4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.

5. Dismantle “existing forces of order and regulation.” Reconstruct all existing institutions.”

6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.

7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. “Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently.”

8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by “agenteurs” to corrupt the youth.

9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.

10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.

11. Choose candidates for public office who will be “servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game.”

12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.

13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.

14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.

15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the “Goyim” (gentiles).

16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.

17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. “The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards… That is of no consequence.”

18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.

19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing “the secret power behind national and international affairs.”

20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash.”

21. Use economic warfare. Rob the “Goyim” of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.

22. “Make the ‘Goyim’ destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest.”

23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.

24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.

25 Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.”

[Alumnus]

Thanks for all that info. I don’t recall hearing of that Rothschild 25 point plan or that prediction of world takeover, although I may have long ago and forgot. The prediction is probably not in the Torah, but in the Talmud. Modern Jews sometimes call the Talmud Torah, by the way, and it is not without merit.

I did not mean to strongly endorse Frater X. It was just a prominent modern name I remembered in relation to the subject of higher affiliated organizations. Since the open houses and my experience visiting two lodges, indicate FM is having trouble recruiting, I see a plausible motive for advertising the higher organizations. It is like the military sometimes funding Hollywood movies and orchestrating TV “non-fiction” productions about Spec Ops.

Since you seem to be extra interested in studying this topic. The lodge I visited for an open house was a small local “AF and AM”. Be aware of the org’s power in censoring info about itself – they have been at it for centuries. They may have some genuinely useful material on spirituality, but in my opinion it is stolen, perverted, obfuscated. Keep in mind what I already stated regarding duality being built in – the conflict X describes may well be part of a grander plan. They love layers of encryption.

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[Ted]

@Alumnus

I’ve had an eye out for the “great debt reset” ever since reading that. Getting rid of private property for the masses was part of Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s 25 point plan for world domination in 1770, but moreover, one of the Jewish books (I think the Torah) outright says Jews will own all the property in the world in their kingdom to come (2239 AD if they’re on time). How are they going to do it? Communism didn’t work. Getting everyone to own virtual wealth instead in the “metaverse” isn’t going well. Maybe we’ll see a total debt forgiveness in exchange for no more private property scheme by 2030 (if they haven’t already given up on that date, it looks like restarting covid petered out this month, so now they’re trying another foreign distraction war to send money to Jews and make everyone forget what was just happening).

I bought Frater X’s book “The Secret War Inside Freemasonry”, the gist of it is that the Scottish Rite branch are a bunch of recent aggressive lying usurpers, and they have members involved in directing CIA psyops. I don’t know enough to cast doubt, but he makes the York Rite out to be more of long standing and honorable mysticism club.

[Alumnus]

@Ted_G

Thank you for that document with the COVID roadmap. I had never heard of it. I had heard of similar things on Rense.com for many years though.

[Alumnus]

@Entess

I noticed a few over the years but I just don’t remember names and titles.

[Ted]

@Alumnus

Fash The Nation sounds worth checking out.

An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States turned up easily on Internet Archive.

I’d heard of the Solutrean Hypothesis, I’d been lead to believe it was merely a competitive hypthothesis, but there is the glaring aspect that it undermines the “Indians were here first” line.

Read a sample of Ibn Fadlan, interesting the Rus had so many tatoos. Several tribes have legends about really tall White people that went extinct long ago:https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/ancient-race-white-giants-described-native-legends-many-tribes-005774

My neighborhood is so safe, it upholds liberal illusions. The only time I felt resigned to a violent death was when I was still expecting covid concentration camps, and prepared to not go peacefully. That was because of the following leak from the Canadian Strategic Planning committee about the Great Debt Reset. The usual suspects cried hoax about the document, but 10/10 of the things in the roadmap were attempted, 8/10 happened (no UBI), and there were only 2 quarters of schedule slide, so I consider it legitimate:

Is this leaked info really Trudeau’s crazy COVID plan for 2021? You decide …

Thanks for the answers and leads, you’ve been very generous with your responses.

[Anonymous]

@Alumnus
Is there a Confederacy book in particular that you would recommend? I’m referring back to the slavery points.

[Alumnus]

Apologies I responded to the wrong post. It had some repetition, but to my memory, that wasn’t enough for me to suspect it was obsolete. I don’t know what sets off the moderation algorithm. Thanks for the Ancient Origins article and for the leaked document reference. I didn’t know of either, although I had encountered many references to white ancients from a bunch of places in the New World.

[Ted]

Damn. Just got another “post awaiting moderation”. I suspect it triggers this whenever you post more than one URL. Luckily I got my post back by clicking back this time. I’m seeing if it passes without the URL prefixes:

@Alumnus

Fash The Nation sounds worth checking out.

An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States turned up easily on Internet Archive.

I’d heard of the Solutrean Hypothesis, I’d been lead to believe it was merely a competitive hypthothesis, but there is the glaring aspect that it undermines the “Indians were here first” line.

Read a sample of Ibn Fadlan, interesting the Rus had so many tatoos. Several tribes have legends about really tall White people that went extinct long ago:
ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/ancient-race-white-giants-described-native-legends-many-tribes-005774

My neighborhood is so safe, it upholds liberal illusions. The only time I felt resigned to a violent death was when I was still expecting covid concentration camps, and prepared to not go peacefully. That was because of the following leak from the Canadian Strategic Planning committee about the Great Debt Reset. The usual suspects cried hoax about the document, but 10/10 of the things in the roadmap were attempted, 8/10 happened (no UBI), and there were only 2 quarters of schedule slide, so I consider it legitimate:

thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/

Thanks for the answers and leads, you’ve been very generous with your responses.

[Ted]

My October 5, 2023 at 9:36 am message was actually posted on September 25, 2023 around 5 am. It was flagged as “pending review”, and today was finally released, so it’s badly out of sync with the discussion.

[Alumnus]

Regarding the British Bill of Rights, of course it limits the power of the king. Just as the US one limits the power of government here.

I can’t remember where I heard about the Bills switch and the Constitutions switch. Probably at least some of it was on Fash The Nation. I have no memory of which episode but it can probably be efficiently searched with engines on the site.

Regarding at least the Second Constitution, this is probably the most famous (mainstream) critical work: An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States by Charles A. Beard

There are Old World looking remains elsewhere in the lower 48. The NE England ones though happen to look much like ones from the Celtic Area. An organization which published much on it was NEARA. A famous very interesting researcher on it was Barry Fell, although he likely engaged in too much wishful thinking as well.

There is at least one account of very early English Settlers bringing some Natives to the English Court. They were dressed up in English clothing and the account states they then looked indistinguishable from a native Londonian crowd. The reddish coloration of the native skin probably was largely due to greater outdoor time and or use of red ochre or similar pigment on skin. The Russ too were described as reddish by Ibn Fadlan, but back then they were fairly Norse, with no Injuns nearby. I forgot if I mentioned the Freemasonic anecdote regarding Chief Joseph Brandt. The most realism paintings of him also portray him as very white.

Something a little related. It is already known that Europeans were in North America during the Ice Age, before the East Asians. One way to start looking for info on it is to search for the Solutrean Hypothesis. The establishment forced that word “hypothesis” on the well researched theory, because they hate Euros.

Thank you for the Nameless War links.

You are right about Jews being generally reluctant to face physical danger. Nonetheless at at times they do. You are also right that they were in mass in the Netherlands before the latest time getting into England.

Of course it can be fairly easy to get an address from a phone number. If it makes you feel better, I once corresponded with very controversial lady from Easter Mass who said she wasn’t worried about her shit-hole neighborhood/town because she had her guns. Many years ago I got used to the higher likelihood of getting killed in my sleep or murdered by other means. That is normal in our movement. We are in a warm war.

Please let me know if I didn’t address anything you were hoping to get more on from me.

[Ted]

I’d heard there were arrowheads and skeletal remains that suggested Europeans might have crossed sea ice to North Eastern America ~20,000 years ago (2 ice ages ago). I didn’t know about those stone structures, those are really interesting. One was carbon dated to 4000 years old. A quick internet search suggests there aren’t other North American regions with such stone structures, so that raises the possibility of unrecorded European colonists, and in a time frame when Jews were recording things.

I’ve read the Gauls of Caesar’s time were master iron workers that didn’t particularly care to do administrative things (compared to the Romans). The fact they made large agile ships and had that disposition raises the possibility of them discovering the new world and not making surviving records of it.

The Freemasons have skull and cross bones on the back side of their aprons that sort of look like the Gmail envelop symbol. Didn’t know the English privateers had much Jewish involvement; Jews don’t have a reputation for bravely facing physical danger. I think after they got kicked out of Spain, a bunch went to Holland, where they plotted and remotely oversaw the English Revolution to get Jews back into England.

Archibald Ramsey’s “The Nameless War” gives detail on the Freemason/Jewish plot to conduct the French revolution:
https://archive.org/details/namelesswar0000rams
https://archive.org/details/pastorelijamesthenamelesswar

As for the Revolutionary war and late civil war, there were Masons participating, and they had a higher loyalty to the new world order plot, so it is believable they’d do some sabotage. I’d have thought the bank would want the South to win the revolutionary war though: split the union into two sides that could be sent to war with each other to cause debt and dead gentiles.

[Ted]

@Alumnus
What can you tell me (or direct me to) about the two constitutions?

Didn’t know there was a 1689 Bill of rights, sounds like it was about limiting the power of king, which is good for individual liberty, but also good for Jews trying to enslave gentiles.

I actually may have gotten doxxed for WhiteDate activity right after the topic came up here. I was too readily giving out my phone number, and I got a call from a man pretending to be looking for a sperm donor for his partner on WD. When his cover fell apart he yelled a little and hung up. If that’s the end of it, no problem, it’s just that I bet you can get an address off a phone number, so I don’t know if it’s over.

[Alumnus]

I once heard many American Colonists who supported the unrest, thought they were fighting to be included in the already existing (British) Bill of Rights. The rug was then pulled from underneath them just as it was with all the shenanigans in writing 2 constitutions and getting the second duly ratified.

[Anonymous]

We live in sad absurd times for ourselves as a people.

[Anonymous]

It’s funny because I see black networking groups get created on meetup.com all the time. On average, once a week I get a meetup.com notification for one of them, groups explicitly for blacks or nonwhites, and that’s limited to only one city.

I would like to see a club or organization where it wouldn’t matter getting doxxed. It might be mildly sensational, but, “whites are people too,” and we need support from each other, and positivity surrounding ourselves.

[Alumnus]

@Hunter

You are correct in that organizing locally is very important.

Strive for close personal relationships – we should all have a few local friends with our values that we can trust when the shit really hits the fan. Members of these small groups should have such friendships with others in other similar small groups and so on. Local groups should organize with adjacent local groups and so on.

Regional and National organizations are very important too, their purpose being complementary to the very local and very personal organizations.

Look for people who seem to share your values. Gently strike conversations with them. Be patient and give it as much time as is necessary to not scare off the prospective partner. Even if you haven’t talked, look for visual clues such as certain tattoos, car or home decorations.

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[Alumnus]

@Ted_G

Apologies I caused you wall-text grief.

Before Harold Covington died a few years ago, I listened to his regular podcasts on the old NWF site for years. I had looked him up and whatever he was doing seemed real. The way our deep state operates, every group should be suspected of infiltration. And because of our shit culture, this often holds true even if it is a group composed solely of first cousins and siblings. Since you already risked putting your photo up and telling much about yourself, a face to face meeting doesn’t seem far out to me. Get to know them over the internet for an extended period, and eventually you should be ready. Go with at least one trusty friend. I heard on one of the old podcasts they were sending at least two of theirs for new member meetings, but that was like 5+ years ago.

I’ve heard it said much of your region, mainly some distance from the coast, is quite dissident in our way.

Regarding NJP. They first started as a podcasting conglomerate located at therightstuff.biz. Some had their own sites and regular contributions to other dissident operations. They still post those links with their podcast episodes.

[Hunter]

“I’m worried about infiltrators, doxing, or the Biden Admin declaring a ‘war on white supremacy’ or some shit and arresting people for group affiliation.” This has already happened repeatedly, and is why an unofficial confederation of organizations is necessary. So instead of trying to join an existing organization, take inspiration from them and start your own.

[Ted]

I’m at the older end of Millennial, so you have an advantage there, truth be told I hadn’t heard of Sacco and Vanzetti. At least when I was in school it wasn’t clearly oriented towards birth rate reduction.

This last week I was a getting a little burned out with how much time after work I was spending on these replies, but the original prompt is a good one. I haven’t heard of the National Justice Party, I’ll look into it. I’m geographically positioned for the Northwest Front, their handbook looks legit, but I haven’t risked association. I want to help, but I’m worried about infiltrators, doxing, or the Biden Admin declaring a “war on white supremacy” or some shit and arresting people for group affiliation.

[Alumnus]

Thanks for the vid info. Wow!

Regarding the draft riots. I am Gen X. The further back you go, the more capable and fair teachers there were. I believe it probably was an Irish HS Social Studies teacher who taught me that. I believe it was probably he who also taught us a little about various other rebellions like The Whiskey Rebellion.

Back to the OP topic? A couple of organisations I already know a little about: The National Justice Party and The Northwest Front. I haven’t joined either and I don’t know anyone in them, but they seem to stand out because of their longer and more complete vision and greater face-to-face activity scope.

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[Ted]

When it comes to YouTube links, the characters after the “=” sign designates the video. The c2ioRBNriG8 can be copied into Youtube, YouTube downloader websites, and alternative front ends.

I’ve never heard of any draft riot, which makes sense, media/gov doesn’t want it in the public mind that that’s a thing they can do.

I sense the back and forth is starting to wind down, this had been beneficial for me too in terms of new information and working out some points of confusion.

[Alumnus]

All very good points.

Thank you for the vid. My security software doesn’t like the site though. It’s ok – what you said about it is familiar so I’ve probably seen it. You seem to make a hypothetical connection between the Satanic Jews and the scuttling of the Satanic Panic. I never thought of that before. Reminds me of Freud dropping the Seduction Theory.

There were anti-draft riots in at least NYC by the way. I wander what percent were Irish. I read wealthier folks could be officially exempted by making a payment.

Thank you very much for the info on the banks – truly new to me.

[Ted]

Still an interesting detail that they owned the Green Dragon, thanks for looking that up.

That’s a solid point on the placating aspect of the red scare, the high water mark of anti-communism was probably right after the Holodomor, they just needed to co-opt the opposition and ride things out. Nobody I’ve heard shit-talking communism in person ever mentions Judaism. It was probably a lot like Jews launching tons of “9/11 Truther” groups to control the discussion and rigidly point people away from Mossad.

The interview easily could have been Oprah for all I recall. It and similar things are now characterized as the 1980’s “satanic panic” to minimize their impact on the public imagination. Here’s at least one with a Teen, but it’s 60 minutes Australia (through an alternative YouTube front end): https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=c2ioRBNriG8

Good point about War powers. Now and again I’ll hear about some emergency measure we’ve had in place since some war from generations ago. I wonder if there’s any civil war emergency powers still in effect. If not, maybe many of them served as starting points for things like the now permanent income tax.

If you’re trying to undermine the WASPs, getting a large immigrant group angry at them for throwing their lives away sounds like a good move. When Jews ruled in in Russia, Ukraine, and Poland through the USSR, they were very drawn to killing off the highest IQ gentiles they could. The documentaries sound interesting. I’ve heard that the “troubles” went from festering conflict to quick peace process not long after the IRA started bombing banks.

[Alumnus]

Apologies. I must have heard wrong on the exact status of that Masonic meeting place. I heard it was a Lodge, but though the info I recently found states it was purchased by a lodge and continued as a tavern and masonic “meting place”, apparently it wasn’t an official Freemasonic Lodge. Somewhere along the way I conflated an official lodge with an annex or whatever.

The Red Scare was also about placating genuine anti-commies. As time progressed, it was needed less and less because there were fewer and fewer prominent conservative Gentiles. It seems to me it also served to train the population to not notice the Jews in Communism.

You provided interesting and correct info and insight on Judaism. I don’t know which show you mean. Something related to consider – even though the Canaanites were supposed to be slaughtered, Solomon had a Canaanite build the Temple and there were additional friendly relations recorded between the two Royals. There is a famous clip from like 80’s Oprah with a Jewess (not very young) claiming she is from a Jewish Satanist family who do child sacrifice – maybe that’s your show.

Thank you for the info on that Fraternity X show. Good observation on the socios.

Lincoln famously suspended Habeas Corpus. I believe I read he did other stuff to expand the power of the presidency and the federal government. The war greatly centralized the country. Much of such centralization, to me is necessary progress, at least for defense, but the devil is in the details.

I believe getting more Southern Europeans, Irish, Catholics, especially in the NE, served the purpose you mentioned – breaking the WASP block. Famously the Jews made Commie theater of Sacco and Vanzetti. I had forgot about all that. All that was a gradual and lengthy process. Nonetheless, the Jews and a bunch of Anglos and others compromised and brainwashed by Freemasonry, for a time may have specifically targeted the Irish for extra slaughter. It is well known there was much hatred of Irish. Certainly, if Freemasonic Anglo officers ordered extra Irish slaughter, it would drive a further wedge between those two British groups. The reason of the Jews perhaps was even deeper. American Irish seem to me a high IQ gene pool, back then certainly very Catholic, and very predisposed to break the Anglo rules – which in America were very Freemasonic rules. Of course, back then the Jews were still very much in the process of parasitizing the Anglo Elite and still relied very much on them. Two interesting documentaries on the EU and Ireland which illustrate the more recent clever Irish obstinacy to the EU and more generally NWO: “End of Nations – EU Takeover & the Lisbon Treaty” and “The End Of An Eire”. Those are just suggestion if you feel the need to explore. I was born in Europe and I live in MA so I had extra reasons to watch those.

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[Ted]

My understanding is that in the late 19th century, some people ranging from about 50% to 100% Black, took America up on it’s offer to transport them to America’s only on-paper colony, Liberia. Many of the relocated became slave owners in Liberia, and their descendants still rule. As for their typical White admixture rates these days, no idea.

I found a source that didn’t have green dragon in the domain, but did have Freemasonry (bookmarked it, but it’s on a different computer). Are you saying it wasn’t just a Mason meeting place where they planned the Tea Party, but actually a Freemason lodge?

I think I see, the Red Scare was to have a scary external enemy that justified centralization of power and foreign wars. Even if the USSR did start out about half Jewish in a 3% Jewish country, the communism-Jew link was either never mentioned or probably discouraged.

In the 80’s on some talk show, a young Jewess, possibly a Teen, told the audience about her family having births off the grid and sacrificing the babies in some occult business. Not sure, but I think I’ve heard about this from a second source. Given their story about Abraham being prepared to burnt sacrifice his son to a mountain in Moriah at god’s request, I wonder if the Jews do both their babies and the goyim’s? At a guess, it might just be a niche sect that sacrifices their own, if they’re even real. Then again, I’ve heard mainstream Judaism permits pedophilia under a certain age, maybe if you’re willing to penetrate a baby, it’s not as big a jump to kill one too.

Wouldn’t you know it, there was a “Fraternity X” television show in 2011. Yandex hit this one out of the park, I’m hoping to find more on those splinter groups. While there’s big obvious NGOs that look like the link between government and powers above government, I suspect the only way you keep a group of power hungry elite sociopaths together is an occult fraternity with a clear hierarchy.

If their goal is to unite the world under a global government, it would be a step backwards to split the US, and yet, they fomented the civil war. Perhaps either civil war ending works out for them, because it stood to put them in a better spot than there being one, big, hard to attack, resource independent, country that had fought off their bank, being there relatively outside their control.

I’d heard that America started mostly Protestant, and then Jews tried to get more Catholic immigrants here in the late 19th century and early 20th century to diversify things and undermine “WASP” power. So I wonder if they killed off all those Irish for being Irish rather than being Catholic. Another thing though, is why would they try to bring in Catholics when Catholics had fought the Jews for centuries prior with pogroms, inquisitions, and discriminatory laws? Maybe the huge rush of late 19th century immigrants was more about increasing the number of different nationalities, and the increase in Catholics was incidental to that.

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[Alumnus]

I have checked some of the raw numbers of slave ownership in the authoritative internet publications of the old census reports. I didn’t check all of Ted_G’s numbers but some of the ones at the top looked very close to what I remember seeing in those old reports. There are Confederacy friendly books which address this issue and related South-Demonization propaganda.

[Alumnus]

Regarding the 007 symbol search. I’ve had many such cover-up looking encounters in searches for more info on controversial topics. Often it is instructive to use Yandex or another proper alternative to Jewgle. Not Bing, not DuckDuckGo, etc.

I knew the descendants of the old American slaves were an elite group, but I didn’t know they are mulatto. Do you mean more like 20% mean White like American Blacks?

Regarding the “Green Dragon”. It seems you may have encountered more research obfuscation. http://greendragonfreemasons.org/history-of-the-green-dragon/index.html

Regarding Stalin’s bragging poisoner. If you mean Beria, I read multiple places he was Georgian and that makes sense.

Regarding the old Red Scares in a Jew run country. Dominating the country with partial ability to steer it is a better description of the “running”. The further back you go, the less such domination there is. Sen. McCarthy had Roy Cohen as his attorney. They accomplished little besides embarrassing some prominent people and getting them fired. The kind of hearings Congress wastes time on on other issues. They were much hyped for theater. They were much hyped for generations afterward for theater. These sorts of hearings are getting lamer and lamer. Lately it’s like 15 seconds of embarrassment and it’s over. On TRS, one of the podcasts (I guess it was FTN), quoted a speech in which McCarthy fawned over Jews at some Jewish event late in his career.

Most of what I meant regarding the similar religions, was regarding animal sacrifice – torturous. Kosher slaughter already is animal torture anyway. I’ve tried to look into Carthaginian child sacrifice and it wasn’t easy to find conclusive info. I gave up, because it was far from my priority list. It probably did happen. I have a rhetorical question: would you rather have your neighboring nation believe in sacrificing foreigners’ children or their own? The Torah is essentially for sacrificing (killing as part of holy genocide) foreigners’ children when God ordains it, but how does the average Hebe find out God ordained it? There are examples in the Old Testament of how God spoke to his people- through his prophets and priests. The regular people were forbidden the practice of astronomy on pain of death. The Temple was structured in part as an observatory. The Priest had as their job, announcing when the major holidays would happen, and it wasn’t as simple as using a solar calendar, because this one was hybrid lunar solar. The movie Apocalypto has a wonderfully memorable scene of Mayan priests and Royalty controlling their commoners with some such scheme. There is evidence of other shenanigans in surrounding countries, including in Hellenistic period Hellenic temples. Some native Greek cults are reported to have had other moral excesses. The Babylonians of course, as well.

The Masons are far less important nowadays for the reason you say, but also because they already got exposed long ago. So the Shabbos Goyim power structure came to rely on dozens of far more secretive affiliated organizations. It’s been written about by multiple researchers – published books on it exist – I don’t recall names and titles, except the man called “Frater X”. I have a little personal experience in that.

You are correct that either North or South could have handled WWI for the Jews. That is much hindsight extrapolation however. When you don’t know how much you’ll need, it’s best to take all. If the country was allowed to complete the split, it would have been an unnecessary step back. I read France looked like it was ready to pounce from the South and Britain from the North.

To buttress my Anti-Catholic and Anti-White replacement theory even more. It is well known that after the war, the Blacks moved north and took many jobs in competition with the major Irish immigrant wave and there were significant riots due to labor cost competition between those two groups.

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[Ted]

@Aluminus

I wasn’t aware of the 007 symbol with the long 7 top flange. I wonder if there’s sometimes efforts to hide topics by publicizing similar things, sort of like if you look up “social engineering”, almost all your results will be about hacker security. I doubt I’d have gotten anything but the Bond logo if I didn’t put Jhon Dee with it.

Many Blacks that went to Libera after the end of slavery became slave holders there too. I think there’s still a Mulatto ruling class there to this day, that the poorer native Liberians resent.

I thought “The Green Dragon” was just a pub, but a Freemason website says their members met there to do the Tea Party.

Stalin had a defacto Jew perge, but a Jew bragged about poisoning him. It seems like Jews didn’t have as much control later on, but circumstantial evidence suggests it was some wealthy foreign banker that made the call to shit-can Khrushchev, suggesting some control into the 60’s.

I’m sure the volunteers to fight with the White Russian faction were a lot like American veterans joining in the fight in Ukraine, only to discover war is a different game when the enemy has artillery. Still, I wonder what was going on with the American “red scare” propaganda; Jewish groups felt threatened by the “red scare”, and yet, the CIA seemed involved in promoting it. In Dr. Pierce’s second book “Hunter”, he makes it sound like J Edgar Hoover was being a road block to Jewish interests. Nevertheless, what’s up with a country run by Jews getting it’s population scared about commies?

I’m curious about the surrounding blood sacrifice religions, I’ve heard the Carthaginians where big into Moloch, and historians doubt the horror stories contemporary Greeks and Romans wrote about them. I suspect they weren’t actually exaggerating.

Didn’t know about the two thrones thing. I knew about the checkerboard floor patterns, but never made a chess connection before. I’ve fantasied about spying on them, there’s a lot of Freemasonry lodges in my city, wouldn’t expect to just be let in, but nobody has really threatened them since the NSDAP that I know of. They may not be so important now that Jews can openly occupy positions of power very disproportionately.

By the End of the Civil War, the two country solution does fit their interests, but having America as a big weapon they could use against Europe (and then the world), I think was the bigger dream. Still, either the North or the South alone could have filled America’s WW1 role.

I’ve heard about those Irish, charging a long stone wall at the Battle of Antietam, impressing their enemies. Very sad. I didn’t put it together with anything else when heard it, but I did feel like there was a disconnect between the tellers’ tone and the senseless slaughter. “Why didn’t they try a better tactic?” was my initial thought. Your notion is much more compelling than just some commander thinking more human waves would do the trick.

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[Anonymous]

@Ted
Thank you! Those numbers are pretty interesting. I knew the majority of white Southerners didn’t have slaves and didn’t exactly appreciate them being there. It’s just hard to find true information easily, without digging deep. Yes, guilt complexes are a good way of making us enslaved.

[Alumnus]

“Meagher’s Irish Brigade was composed of the 63rd, 69th, and 88th New York Infantry regiments, as well as the 116th Pennsylvania Infantry and 28th Massachusetts Infantry. These Irishmen fought in the Army of the Potomac throughout the entire war. During the Battle of Antietam, they were sent against an entrenched Confederate position at the Bloody Lane, losing 60% of their strength.

Months later, the remnants of Meagher’s brigade were ordered against the Confederate position at Marye’s Heights at the Battle of Fredericksburg. There, in during an assault marked by ferocious Confederate resistance, they earned the praise of their enemies and comrades alike. Confederate Lt. Gen. James Longstreet thought the charge of the Irishmen “was the handsomest thing in the whole war.” General Robert E. Lee declared, “Never were men so brave.” Brig. Gen. George Pickett, who would make his own legendary charge within a year, thought “the brilliant assault….was beyond description….we forgot they were fighting us, and cheer after cheer at their fearlessness went up all along our line.” Their division commander, Maj. Gen. Winfield Scott Hancock remarked, “General Meagher, I have never seen anything so splendid.””

I read about stuff like the above, looking much like Lee’s attack on the Union positions at Gettysburg, and see it dramatized in movies and I wander who ordered it, why exactly? Catholics were reviled by the Protestants, by the Jews, and by the Masons. The Irish were reviled.

[Alumnus]

@Ted_G

Regarding the best outcome for the Jews maybe having been two US countries. I’d have to know the percentage of Catholics in the South. Spain was still a relatively great power. Some Pope was considering excommunicating the entire US around that time. The Vatican also forbade joining Masonry.

If the Jews felt they had sufficient control over both sides, why not get a bunch of the bravest European-Americans killed, while freeing blacks for replacement of the Euros, yet retaining the Super State? The Constitution was on their side from the start. Not long after, they grabbed the entire Russian Empire and immediately embarked on expanding it.

[Alumnus]

Somebody mentioned The Hegelian Dialectic in reference to covert mass movement manipulation. Hegel probably didn’t mean it that way from the little I’ve read about him though. David Icke calls it Problem-Reaction-Solution. Icke was cringe from the beginning however. In his defense, he talked about Jews before he did about Reptilians. UK law made it harder to talk about Jews way back about the time he changed topic. The Masonic Lodge plan is much like a chessboard. It is a black and white checkerboard, with two thrones at opposite ends, for the two top officers. Acting on opposing sides is inculcated in them through more important means, like the purported degree oaths having gradually increasing commitment to the fraternity, including using language about saving brothers at greater costs, and the self being threatened with greater punishments for revealing secrets. The floor plan is far easier to look up though. In recent years the frat even took to having open houses for recruitment. I went over a decade ago and I was very fortunate to make it around a forbidden corner where I wasn’t supposed to be. That is when I first learned about the very strong Hebrew connection. I wander how much they show at open house nowadays.

[Alumnus]

I forgot to address the sin transfer to animals (checkmating providence as is so often the case with them – LOL). Blood sacrifices as such comprised much of the Old Testament Temple religion. In that regard it was similar to much of the surrounding religious world.

[Alumnus]

I remembered a John Dee and modern Freemasonry connection. The symbol that looks like 007. It, in its peculiar form, was used by Dee appended to his signature in his letters to the Queen.

I read somewhere that like 25% of the Free Blacks in the US were slave owners.

At the end of the Civil War, Grant gave orders limiting travel from North to South. I read somewhere there were lots of Jews bribing their way in to take advantage even then, exploiting impoverished desperate people.

I read the Brazilian Revolution was accomplished largely through their Masonic Lodges. The Tea Party was staged at a Lodge. Some believe that Masons were very involved in the Jacobite Rebellion in Britain and internal Masonic Records from that period and earlier were purged to hide that.

The Western invasion of the USSR during the 1920’s was junk. It was very weak and so it is in a pattern with the high degree of popularity of “Communism” in the Jewish community of the West. I wander who went to fight and if it wasn’t largely a way of getting Anti-Commie gentiles killed. That seems like the current weak West involvement in Ukraine.

There are accounts on high level cooperation between the USSR and the USA during the height of the Cold War such as trading of fissile nuclear material. In US public school I was taught the US sold grain to the USSR. By Brezhnev’s time, it looks to me the Jews had already been mostly pushed aside and the Soviets were a very different creature. Brezhnev seems to have been desperately trying to become friends with the West.

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[Ted]

@Entess:
The cobbled together documentary on Bitchute “New Atlantis – Ameruca The Beast From The Sea” declined in salience as it went, I wouldn’t recommend it after about the half way mark, but it had some interesting things earlier on.

A book of Jewish accomplishments in America from the 1930’s brags that Jews so dominated the slave trade of the Americas, that the slave auctions were closed on Jewish holidays. Other sources validate that claim. The biggest and most successful slave ships were owned and mostly crewed by Jews. They had a circular route taking advantage of ocean currents; they went from Europe, to West Africa, to South America, to North America, then back to England. They traded manufactured goods from Europe to African warlords for slaves, sold the slaves mostly (~95%) to South America for sugar, and I think rum maybe, then sold those in North America for something (tobacco? cotton?) and in any event brought goods back to Europe to sell.

In some data (I think) from the 1840’s, 40% of Jewish households had at least one slave and 1.6% of Americans had Salves, and Jews were %3.125 (in 1860) of the population. If 40% of Jewish households had slaves, and Jews were 3.125% of the population, then about 1.25% of the population were Jews with slaves. 1.25 / 1.6 = .78 says 78% of people owning one or more slaves in America were Jewish. Thus, Jews trying to instill guilt complexes in gentile children over slavery are doing their usual kabbalah thing where they transfer their sins to their victims, like those chickens they torture to death for Yom Kippur.

I’ve more recently heard that Jews actually had to lobby to get slaves into the American colonies in the first place, but I haven’t seen a source for it.

I only looked at this in passing, but the biggest cotton plantations in the South were owned by Jews. Slave ownership was highly concentrated, not many were just one or two off as servants in a smaller household. So, that 78% of slave holders being Jews figure could belie more than 78% of the slaves belonging to them.

@Hunter:
You do bring up a great point, sometimes they fight each other, as seen with the Jews in control of the USSR vs the Jews in control of the West. They came together long enough to crush the NSDAP, and then went back to being adversaries. That is unless they were really going for a Hegelian dialectic, but it looked like they were competing against each other.

While Lincoln had expressed a desire to return the slaves to Africa, I recall in one of his speeches (last state of the union address?) he spoke about it as if they weren’t going back, that for better or worse we were going to see how cohabitation works out. Killing him probably wasn’t needed to keep the Blacks in America.

I know African warlords refused to stop the slave trade when Britain demanded they stop, I’m assuming that’s the party of Blacks you say lobbied to keep the slave trade.

The abolitionists were the Antifa of their day, but for almost no Southerners to have slaves, and yet for them to get into a war over state’s rights to have slaves, I think speaks to both sides getting manipulated into the conflict. If you’re the chief executive, and you know Europe wants to split you up and grab some of the Western Hemisphere, it’s understandable why you might pursue a “no defectors” policy. It’s mean, illegal, and impinges on their sovereignty, but it kept the Monroe doctrine intact.

@Alumnus
Trying to conquer the world is a messy uncertain business, makes sense there’s a lot of playing both sides. I think their best outcome would have been to get a third central bank and preserve the union. That way they have a lot of control over a powerful thing.

That does sound like an interesting premise to research. If the Jews were the biggest plantation owners, and the plantations were mostly still going with share croppers after the war, then the Jews keep making money with assets they had on the losing side of the conflict. I suppose we don’t hear much about what average Americans thought of slavery, we just get the abolitionist take.

In “The International Jew” Henry Ford is such a gentleman towards them, really overly conciliatory, after reading it it’s funny to hear them stigmatize him as a hater. He died in 1947, so he was around when they did this. Maybe they owned a bunch of Ford stock?

I thought they were easy to coup because they were IQ 90. Upon consideration, the diversity was probably the bigger deal. Arab Muslims are about IQ 90, and it’s still quite hard to for globohomo to subvert and destroy their governments.

[Alumnus]

The Jews have had large stakes in multiple sides in wars they’ve strongly supported, yet had one side win. Both the winner and loser still had to repay loans, such as in WWI.

Of course in the South there was significant Jewish vested interest besides Banking. I have seen mention the peacetime South enterprises relied far less on finance than the North. It might be fruitful to study Sherman’s depredations, and see if there is any pattern specifically favoring or targeting Jews, Gentiles, and even Catholics. I was taught in public schools that much of the old Plantation owning class stayed in business by adopting the Sharecropping system. I also know that historically going very far back, it was known that slavery created much dissatisfaction in the citizenry, even causing major rebellions in the Roman Empire. The vast majority of the Free Southern Population lived in deep poverty begging the question regarding future unrest. Also because much of the South was Catholic.

I read even Ford plants were intentionally not bombed during WWII – I don’t know if that held true for the duration of the war. We all know Ford’s views on Jews, but this was 70 years ago. The further back one goes, the greater percentage of the elite in our countries were Gentile. Either way, the winner of WWII to a large extent rebuilt the loser anyway.

As colonialism gave way in Africa and South America, it often went away with provisions for big existing vested financial interests to have their property preserved long term through the transition. Natural resource rights to future development often stayed with the mother country. Very often, the former colonies comprised multiple ethnically and religiously conflicted groups. Such multi-polar countries are far more susceptible to subversion from outside, than ethno-states, let alone single religion ethno-states. In such places, any Dictator, President, PM, Warlord, is much weaker in his position, if he doesn’t have strong support from abroad. The home country doesn’t need to expand as much of its resources to guard its natural (formerly) colonial natural resources, because now El Presidente does most of the job for his “friends”. The recent French-Niger are an example of all that.

[Hunter]

@Ted_G the Synagogue is a ‘pit of vipers,’ they have not always been entirely unified. What unifies them, is their dream of world enslavement and their hatred of goyim, especially the ‘best’ of the goyim, Whites… As it was, the Judaeo-Satanists won the 2nd Civil War—the Revolutionary War was the first—by killing Lincoln before he could deport the blacks to Liberia and return to the Constitutional Silver-Standard. The South had the legal right to succeed however, and this makes Lincoln the aggressor—playing into the Synagogue’s hand—for not simply letting the South go. Relations between an independent South and North did not have to be bad as they would still have more in common than with the Mexicans or the ‘Canadians.’ If you learn your history you’d know that it was ultimately blacks and Jews that lobbied the most to support the black-slave trade. Disgustingly, Synagogue slavers even (forcibly) bred black men with Irish women en-masse to create the ‘ideal slave.’ This partially explains the White admixture in American blacks… and the current racial policy being forced on the bank-enslaved ‘West.’

[Anonymous]

Could you go more into the slavery-Jews connection? I would really like to learn more about this. I’ve only heard bits and pieces about Jewish merchants being involved, and would like more hard facts. You mentioned the biggest plantation and slave holders were Jews. I just want to learn more about their role… Slavery was one of worst decisions white people went along with. Whilst Arabs and Africans were doing it elsewhere.

Is the New World documentary worth watching?

[Ted]

My last post has held the status “This post is awaiting moderation” for most of a day now. I’m not sure what It said to get flagged.

In summary:
* It’s believable the Gauls had such ships but also wouldn’t make lasting documents about a new world.
* Those North Eastern stone structures are really cool, thanks for informing me, and one carbon dates about 4000 years old, which fits the hypothesis it could be recent enough for Jewish recordings of other cultures’ voyages.
* Freemasons have skulls and cross bones on the reverse side of their aprons.
* According to Archibald Ramsay’s “The nameless war”, Freemasons and Jews were the prime movers of the French Revolution. Also, they went from Spain, to Holland, and then did the English Revolution before much later doing the French Revolution.
* As for Freemasons using sabotage to guide wars, they had the means and the motive.
* I am confused why they’d sabotage Lee, I thought they wanted to split America into two factions they could play off each other for debt and dead gentiles. Also, the biggest plantation owners and slave holders were Jews, so it’s weird to me they’d undermine the South. Maybe I’m confusing Britain’s objectives with the New World Order’s.

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[Alumnus]

Of course it is speculation – I only stated “if not far earlier”. But it helps to be aware of patterns and what they could mean, in order to efficiently research further.

Just a little tidbit on evidence for pre-Viking New World travel. The Gauls of Julius Caesar’s time had large seagoing sailing vessels which, with sufficient wind, could outmaneuver Roman war ships in battle and win due to that maneuverability. There are many legends of lands to the west of Ireland. There are megalithic European looking ruins in the NE United States.

Bacon hoped for (blank!) religious freedom at a time when Jews were far more reviled than now. There is other evidence of the known Speculative Freemasonry back then. I just wish I remembered all of what I learned many years ago. I remember that the skull and crossbones symbol is Templar, English Pirate, but also modern Freemasonic. And of course there is the whole Templar Rite Freemasonry branch. English Pirates was largely a Jewish affair, I heard on TRS. I don’t know direct details on that except (((they))) had recently been kicked out of Spain and Portugal, a bunch of “conversos” were known to have moved to England during Elizabeth, where some kept getting into trouble, and Elizabeth eventually expelled the Hansa.

I should have said I was betting on the Revolutionary battles business. I don’t know if Masons caused it, but there is a highly unusual pattern. I have studied some very suspicious battles in some detail. Also I know there are accounts from the French Revolution of masonic business of the sort you describe. Many Nuns and Monks were massacred there. Also there is Masonry funny wartime business reported about the famous Iroquois Chief Joseph. The final joke was on his people – George Washington became “General Town Destroyer” to them. There are others besides me, who believe the Civil War, at least at the end, took a Masonic turn. Gettysburg looks like Lee suddenly became senile and there is the famous story of the secret letter delivered the night before, which shook him.

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[Ted]

The documentary I found talks about John Dee, but it also appears to be comprised of a few other documentaries stitched together. The fact the original channel and video are gone from YouTube sounds encouraging for it’s veracity.

If the Vikings did it with relatively small boats, that makes it more believable ancient Egyptians, Phoenicians, or others could have done it, and it might not have made it into history books that survived the collapse of their civilizations.

Judaism has an ancient dream of enslaving the other humans, and a focus on literacy, so perhaps knowledge of the new world could have been preserved by them alone, but it still sounds speculative to me. We’re told the purpose of Columbus’ journey was to reach India faster, and Jews financed the trip and lobbied the queen of Spain to support it; so it sounds like they were looking for a profitable trade route, but that doesn’t preclude the possibility they wanted to look for an anticipated new world.

Francis Bacon, an important Mason, was certainly dreaming about America as a powerful independent nation based on “religious freedom” in the 1500’s. It would be astonishing to learn of a letter from hundreds of years prior talking about when to discover America to fit into their plans.

There’s multiple dangers in motivating people with deception. Rebooting a constitution that explicitly protects religious liberty and secret societies does sound vulnerable to getting subverted again. However, I think a lot of conservatives would still go for it with exceptions made against Freemasons and Jews. Depending on what human resources are available, the sales pitch that gets enough joiners to win might have to start off sub-optimal.

[Alumnus]

I just searched for, but couldn’t find The New Atlantis I remember on YouTube. Even the old large channel seems to be gone. I am not sure if the one you found is the same – I watched a few minutes at random in it and it just doesn’t look or sound it and I don’t remember there being a subtitle. I also remember the old video having a significant amount to say about John Dee and establishing something like a Freemasonic looking connection at least to that time.

Regarding planning that may have been made much earlier. I meant in secret, by the Jews (non even necessarily knowing yet where they might go exactly, but a more general plan). They have some very ancient awareness of some essentially prehistoric cultures such as the Philistines and contemporaneous Cretans, whereas much of the goyim equivalent accounts are long gone. Combine that with (((their))) very long term view and long term work at infiltration and subversion, and it is easy to posit they have at least some secret very long term plans. Combine that as well with significant evidence the New World continental mass received Old World visitors even long before the Vikings, whereas almost the entirety of the Gentile world forgot the Viking discovery. The Jews have been international traders for thousands of years and had some close relationships with very advanced world-class traveling and exploring cultures easily as far back as the second Millennium BC. These include the Phoenicians (Canaanites) and likely their very close relatives the Carthaginians. The Egyptians and Libyans. The Greeks. The Persians. Other peoples’ records tended to be destroyed, given a long enough time frame. However, the Jews have been for a long time, and still are exceptionally comfortable with appropriation, exceptionally focused on keeping their population literate, and exceptionally focused on treating their version of history as holy and secret.

The danger in fighting for the questionable mythology is in letting Jew worshipping Freemasons slide by and in using the old Bill of Rights like a holy writ, when in fact it was largely written by Shabbos Goyim for (((them))).

[Ted]

I watched “New Atlantis – Ameruca The Beast From The Sea” on Bitchute. If that was the right documentary, that did give me more detail on Francis Bacon than I had, but I don’t feel like it backed up it’s early claim that a continental overseas colony had been planned centuries before the new land was even discovered. Also, it could have used more detail on Christopher Columbus’ Jewish backers and a lot less emotional music set to pictures of world leaders meeting and such.

I hadn’t heard about British Freemasons throwing the revolutionary war, but I had heard something related. A poster on 4chan mentioned how his Freemason dad’s Freemason buddies tried to pitch joining to him, and they told him that during the revolutionary war, Freemansons on both sides spared captured Freemasons. The poster interpreted it as “if you join our club, we won’t kill you given the opportunity”.

I think there’s a larger point here about America not being something to “reclaim” or “renew”, it wasn’t a good idea corrupted, it had been lies and bullshit from the outset. However, I think the widespread perception that America used to be great and that we could fight to return to our last good save is a mythology that could be seized upon to motivate action for the better.

[Alumnus]

What you said about Whitmer is familiar. I have read of a bunch of other cases like that.

The more genuinely democratic a system, the more it can be trusted by the majority. I don’t believe the US came close to being a Democracy as brainwashed into the general population, but I agree that the Rothschild Central Bank independent period was likely the closest.

There are many blue eyed Ashkenazis. I’ve met multiple blonde ones and seen additional ones in media. Many lack obvious other features.

Freemasonic lodges are for all religions and it is forbidden to discuss religion in them. Yet they have a primary (implicit) religious orientation – they inculcate Hebrew Kabbalah, routine cypher usage, very strong in-group preference, safe-house keeping for “strangers from the East”. I hope you saw the pattern. Revolutionary war battles were intentionally thrown by British Freemasons. The country was planned hundreds of years prior, if not far earlier. A documentary called “The New Atlantis” is a good entertaining intro to evidence of the early planning.

[Ted]

Hi Alumnus,

Infiltrators:
I heard the Governor Whitmer kidnapping plot was something like 12 Feds and 4 people they entrapped, and the Feds were the ones that proposed the plan and provided materials. I agree that infiltrators are worse to get hit with than electronic eavesdropping, but the resources aren’t there to infiltrate everyone. The resources are there to dragnet everyone’s internet activity and have powerful AI systems sort through it. If you didn’t want to trust your new government with too much power, but still wanted it to attack damaging elements, you might arguing for infiltrators without mass surveillance.

How much power do you give the government:
On general transparency too, I suppose it’s a matter of how much you trust your government. If it’s nigh incorruptible and run by enlightened men, then the more power you give it, the more good it will do. If you’re worried about power getting abused in the long run, then you want to give it the minimum power it needs.

America 2.0:
By America 2.0, I mean if some combination of racially aware Whites and/or conservatives either overthrew the current US government or balkanized the US and took a piece for themselves, and put in place a new constitution informed by their grievances with the first American government. One could argue America was founded by Freemasons, explicitly to undermine the power of European monarchies, and in the long run, to exert power over Europe. My understanding is that it broke away from it’s original purpose for several decades. There were giant fights over the non renewal of the 1st and 2nd central banks of the United states, after the carnage (some literally from the war of 1812), America emerged in the 1840’s free from the Bank of England. America 2.0 is a hypothetical scenario where we again get off the leash and become something more akin to what our propaganda says we are.

Jews can be hard to distinguish:
What you say about Jewish genetics is true. They’ve mixed with Europeans enough that there’s even blond blue-eyed Jews. It would be far from perfect, but if prospective White immigrants that have characteristically Jewish physiognomy were selected for genetic ancestry testing and barred at some percentage threshold, we could reduce the number of conspirators attempting our genocide. What’s more, Jews already struggle with assimilation; I imagine Jews that don’t look Jewish would be even more vulnerable.

[Anonymous]

@Hunter
I’m mainly here to rant, dream (with others), and watch, I can’t become too involved in something at the moment. I like the name HYGEIA (Greek goddess of health) for the romantic vision I had for an organization. Or a variant of that word or similar type of word.

[Alumnus]

Ted_G

Before genetic testing, it would have been impossible to categorize many Jews as Non-White, let alone Non-European. I have lived in the Northeast for well over 3 decades and have known many Jews. For an amateur, I have a very good eye for Physical Anthropology, including ethnic Physiognomy. Even after genetic sequencing of humans began, Jews have mightily struggled to define a common genetic lineage for themselves. Jews from different countries in Europe often tend to look like their hosts, sometimes so much so, that many of the hosts look more Jewish.

I don’t know what you mean by America 2.0 – a Judaic creation, a Libertarian one, a White one…? What might be done with our undesirables proportionally increases with the power of our government.

The more transparency in society, the more it can control for harmful secret societies. Opaqueness tends to favor the criminal over the law-abiding, the dishonorable over the honorable. When government becomes sufficiently unrepresentative, obviously non-governmental secret organizations become preferable.

Government sending infiltrators is worse than many forms of surveillance, because not only is it surveillance, but frequently it necessitates deceiving unconvicted citizens. In many situations, the deceit amounts to entrapment, because the more people in a group are for something, the more regular folks would say they are too, act like it and even compete at it. The more low IQ these folks are, the less of what is not legal speech is clear to them. The FBI has been caught many times doing all of the above to political undesirables. In the case of the US and other places, the laws and precedents on speech rights are not clear to like 99%+ of the population, or settled. Often the informants even break other laws besides speech, to stay undercover.

If I didn’t address anything that was in response to me, please tell!

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[Ted]

Maybe I should start a new thread about this, but it’s related to Entess’ prompt:
“How do we make a pro-white organization that’s resistant to government harassment?”

The Ruby Ridge massacre all started because the Feds were trying to coerce Randy Weaver into being an informant for them against a pro-white group he was in. In my local newspaper a month ago, there was a story about an antifa infiltrator that doxxed everyone in some nationalist group that wasn’t even explicitly pro white, I think he recorded all their license plates.

There’s the concept of making a pro-white group that’s safe for it’s members, perhaps taking pains to ensure anonymity. There’s a secondary concept of making an organization that’s designed to convert undercover Feds and antifa; it poses as pro-white information outreach, but the point is actually to saturate the infiltrators with evidence and propaganda. Third idea, try to get a group of younger guys into the local FBI branch. Having a mole watch the watchmen is how I think organized crime does it. Better yet, if one of our guys could be in-charge of monitoring us, then we could openly recruit and be relatively safe.

Entress:
Yeah, I hardly see anyone mention Cosmotheism. It’s strength is not requiring knowing self-deception, it’s good for smarter members. It’s weakness is it’s inability to mobilize emotional fools to action, and we need mass action.

Hunter:
Perhaps you can correct me on this, but isn’t libertarianism diametrically opposed to collectivism? My impression is that it has a strong recurring theme of “Leave me alone and let me do my thing”. Anne Rand is sometimes pointed to as an important Libertarian, and she was very anti collectivist. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to live in a country that respected libertarian values and own all the machine guns and rocket launchers I want, but how can it be effectively married to White Nationalism?

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[Hunter]

I’ll also point you to https://wd.easytodo.in/dating-site-for-white-people-groups/alaska/ as I believe Alaska to be the best place rekindle White Nationalism in North America.

[Hunter]

Thanks @Entess, I was thinking that Phoenix Ascendant sounds even better, maybe next time. Really, the first step is to have a regularly used chat group just to start building momentum. @Ted, you’re right, the National Alliance is currently the best pro-White organization in North America that I am aware of, and I appreciate their struggle for our subspecies. Yet, they seem too anchored in the past and, ironically, Christian moralism. Critically, the organization is not libertarian. White Libertarian Nationalism is the cause that will both return (North) America to her roots and lead her into a brighter future.

[Anonymous]

You make a lot of good effort, Hunter. Maybe it needs to be channeled differently, combined with others’ efforts, so you make a bigger splash. I like the name Phoenix Rising.

[Anonymous]

I agree with you regarding our history with Jews. People need to learn this history. And the extent of propaganda, philosophical and cultural hijacking, Hollywood and what makes up our pop culture, trigger many of us into becoming “alternative.” But I think many of our modern ideas can find some underlying semblance with what was cooked up in ancient Greece and Rome, and sometimes universalism, globalism, out-group altruism, and intermixing oscillate to the fore, in some small form at least.

I don’t see much fervor for cosmotheism in the pro-white sphere, but maybe there is, and I’m out of the loop. I could stand to learn much more about it. But I wonder if it needs a distilled version of itself, inspiring people out from their most natural human urges (for community, self-betterment, appreciation for one’s collective history and hopefulness for one’s collective future) while at the same time being more openended and not claiming to have all the answers. People would need to accept it as their priority ideal while keeping other philosophy and spiritual attachments, not necessarily subordinate if they don’t conflict, but separate, such as deity, worship, soul, and afterlife ideas. So I think it would need to subsume Christianity, as well as atheism and agnosticism. We need to jerry-rig things together because that’s what we have to work with. And at some point it and strongly connected ideas to it would predominate and override possible or potential contradictions people think Christianity has with the partiality for one’s race and people.
Interesting about National Alliance, that sounds really heartening.

[Ted]

Entess:
The 1965 immigration act was the most damaging one, but something similar was attempted by Jewish proponents in 1924. In the 1880’s, America got a huge influx of Jews that were kicked out of Russia, and almost immediately they began lobbying to open up America to wider and wider circles. Back then it was displacing Anglo-Saxons, Teutons, Nords and Protestants, by 1965, it was time to displace Whites altogether. They will always promote antagonism across any demographic contrast they can (sex, age, rural/urban, etc) because they have a freer hand when society is divided.

I understand your skepticism that it’s not just the Jews that erode our homogeneity, they’re just 2% of the country after all, 3% in the 1860’s, and what of the cheapness of modern air travel or people becoming decadent through technology? I’ll still argue otherwise. The scope of their efforts is immense. Helping the Moors conqueror Spain, The Dutch Revolt, English Revolution, the French Revolution, bringing Blacks to the Americas, the American Revolution, the American Civil War, the Russian Revolution, WW1, WW2, all strains of Wokism, all sorts of weaponized words in our lexicon, and most of all, they’ve lead efforts to create a cherry-picked version of history designed to make White children ashamed of their people and non-white children feel aggrieved by White society. This killing blow against us was animated entirely by Jews or gentiles being used by Jews such as the Freemasons or most of our top politicians. The news and entertainment propaganda, a national currency they get to imagine into existence and loan to our government, which they drive to crazy debt spending, big tech censorship, etc, in this paragraph I’ve scarcely surveyed their crimes against just the European peoples. Without all of that, I’m sure normal sanity would keep us homogeneous.

As for a new religion for racially aware White People, Cosmotheism is designed to be exactly that. I think it would be hard to do better.

@Tony They’ve survived on Haiti for over 2 centuries, and those are pure breeds because they ethnically cleansed the mixed race people when they took over. American Blacks average 22% white and IQ 85; we might be waiting a long time to reclaim that land.

Hunter:
Amren meticulously avoids the Jewish question, the National Alliance has for decades been the most serious pro-White Organization I’ve heard of. They only want higher quality and committed White people. They’re buying up property and building a small White haven in West Virginia, but they also do literature distribution, radio, have a website and have a tax exempt offshoot branch, the Cosmotheist church (non christian). I loved their founder’s radio program (he died in 2002), it’s on internet archive:
https://archive.org/details/american-dissident_voices_wlp_dr._william_luther_pierce

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[Hunter]

“We need organizations that look toward our future.” This is what https://wd.easytodo.in/dating-site-for-white-people-groups/phoenix-rising/ intends to be. Pro-White organizations are few in number and those that do exist are often wedded paradoxically to Christian dogmatism. The best example of a pure pro-White organization that I can think of is Amren, yet even that website slides towards cuckservatism. The primary objective of any pro-White organization should be to increase the % of Whites vs. non-Whites globally, and to increase the genetic quality of Whites as a whole.

[Anonymous]

I think that our imagination is the only limit to what’s possible for ourselves. Including when it comes to having our own land and being free of others that have hopped the boat. It would be best to have as many geographical barriers as we can.
Yeah, they don’t teach in history class the series of subversions white societies go through in order for the new normal of non-whites becoming dominant in white societies. Everyone should learn of them, so thanks for pointing out the history, the Naturalization Act of 1790, freemasonry, anti-masonic party, etc. The Immigration Act of 1965 is a big one to me and also instigated by Jews. Even without Jews though, homogeneity and preservation wouldn’t exactly be a guarantee for us, even though our lack of homogeneity and sovereignty would be nowhere as extreme as it is now.

To prevent the transiency of bans, politics, laws, constitutions, states, we probably should just write our tribalism into our religion. Lofty ideals are the crux of religion.

Russia bans scientology, right? The first amendment should be more practical and specify that “religions” (you can make anything subversive into a religion) can be banned from the public stage, even if there are private freedoms. A state doesn’t have to tolerate every public organization. It’s ironic that our culture and societies were corrupted because of various freedoms, now we’re trying to uncorrupt them using the same or similar freedoms.

[Anonymous]

@Ted_G while natural selection. As long as we are able to control our areas, the “black zones” will either completely destroy itself or end up asking us to come to their aid. Therefor, the statement that valuable land will go to waste is not true. It will just have to be put on pause until nature gets humanity back in line.

[Anonymous]

We have more people than what we need in the United States. I am against immigration period. The only immigration that should be allowed is an american man should bebable to show up to a border with a marriage certificate issued by his consulate and bring a woman in to the country. He marriage certificate should work as he visa and once landed be given citizenship to the USA only to be revoked upon divorce. Honestly we need to start deporting our legal immigrants.

[Ted]

The first amendment could be interpreted as allowing discrimination against racial Jews. People of any race can technically convert with Rabbinical approval, but I expect the non racial Jews to be less harmful. As for disallowing secret societies, although they may be designed to operate under persecution, it would still be harder on them if they were being persecuted. Nevertheless, it’s hard to know how effective past parties really were at removing them, because if they went into hiding, it would look just like they’d been routed.

We’re approaching a situation in which honorable gentlemen have to hide their allegiance to their own people, so I’m weary of America 2.0 having extreme surveillance powers. They could still get warrants, send infiltrators, and other classic approaches.

There’s a lot of options with Blacks that would be better than our current situation. Just ending welfare would force them to get their acts together. Overturning Brown Vs Board of Education (which arguably isn’t justified by any amendment), and anti-red lining measures would slowly return things to a natural state of segregation. Overturning Griggs v. Duke Power Co. (also not clearly supported by an amendment), would let employers hire by IQ, which would partially break the universities’ grip on society, and allow Blacks to be marginalized for lack of intelligence.

As for giving Black people a state on the North American continent, remember that apartheid era South Africa had a Black illegal immigration crisis. Black countries end up impoverished and dysfunctional no matter the external intervention, so they’ll try to come back, or worse, the new Black country will go to shit before even a few percent have relocated, and the rest will refuse to go. A large area with natural resources will then go to waste. Trying to send Blacks to the new Black country may prove about as difficult as sending them to Africa.

[Alumnus]

The first sentence of the First Amendment invalidated that Naturalization Act. The Anti-Masonic Party was the largest third party ever in the USA. Banning secret societies is very good and it is much better than not doing so. It has been done elsewhere with a large degree of success. Honorable gentlemen have nothing to hide, especially in a supposedly functioning Democracy or Republic of their own creation.

Some WN leaders such as Richard Spencer were for partition, the Blacks getting a piece.

[Anonymous]

These are certainly good ideals, where I struggle coming to a conclusion is what the practical solution is to the racial question. We can’t just send all the blacks to Africa or other similarly radical programs.

[Ted]

The Naturalization Act of 1790 established who could become an American:
A free white person, who’s lived here for two years, spent at least a year in a single state, who’s of good character as determined by a judge, and whom takes an oath to support the constitution.

Why did we abandon that standard? To the best of my knowledge, it was Jewish lobbying. As to Alumnus’ point, they did make it hard to legally justify keeping Jews out. So, in an America 2.0, you might specify that immigrants be Free White Gentiles of good character, or else the flood gates are bound to be reopened in about a century.

There did use to be an “Anti-masonic” political party in this country. Kick out the Jews, and the Freemasons will work to get them back in. I doubt it would be very effective to ban a secret society, they’ll operate effectively underground, but a new Anti-masonic party, plus a rebooted constitution, plus a few national holidays to remind people what happened, could last longer than average.

[Alumnus]

I agree.

The desirable (to the vast majority of Europeans) demographics weren’t written into the constitution, because Freemasonry was the impetus and the most dominant organization of the revolution. And Freemasonry is, by design, an organization of Shabbos Goyim and worse.

[Anonymous]

We (any subset of us) really need our own vibrant organization that considers our well-being into the future. The “American forefathers” and European/diaspora countries just weren’t far-seeing, prescient, or experienced enough to ensure our preservation into the future. There might have been the occasional pondering (and people more knowledgeable about this could give more credit here), but no policy that would keep us safe from being overturned and replaced as nations. Only the coming and going of surface-level social phenomena are what we’ve depended on…
It actually needs to be written in the constitution as an integral component of the state *who* the elements are that constitute it. Are they Jews? Are they black Africans? Are they Asians? If they are everyone, then there will be no more whites of any kind at some point.

We no longer have physical barriers to entry, thanks to the inventions and accomplishments of Europeans no less – the airplane, circumnavigation of the globe, the automobile, etc. The progress of our wisdom hasn’t kept up with our technological progress.

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