[Hunter]

Society is now my greatest interest, since I no longer can force myself to believe in romance that transcends society. I view intentional pro-White societies as critical, and I sense that religion is the best way to go about it in general. Politics is downstream of religion. I have developed and will continue to develop a religious-society structure that embraces both Matriarchy and Patriarchy at the same-time and all the positive elements of the major religions. Individuals are free to choose the structure that they feel the most comfortable with… While men would enjoy both Matriarchy and Patriarchy if born into those systems, women in general naturally prefer Patriarchy DESPITE all protests to the contrary… the ladies do indeed doth protest to much. History has shown that the vast majority of women, when taken by force as sex slaves, embrace their slavery to the point of loving it rather than risking fighting, running away, or committing suicide. The conquest of (White) Zoroastrian Persia by the Arab Muslims is one example of this… Who does a woman love most? A man that owns her yet is sweet to her… A woman does not love a man who is sweet to her before he owns her. The present ‘civilization’ where the majority of White people live makes it very difficult for a White man to be loved by a White woman, this ‘feminist civilization’ will not last long. Persia by the way, never became White again after the Arab Islamic conquest… neither will Britain (nor anywhere else where White men cannot own White women). Want to be loved as a man by a woman? Gain power over her first. The rare exceptions—like mothers who have sex with their sons or female teachers with their male students—only serve to prove the rule.

[Hunter]

There are three natural societies that are stable:

True Patriarchy (Islam is the best existing example) where a female is the slave of her father (if he is gone, a close paternal relative of her choice), or her husband (if he is gone, a son of her choice). The return to serious patriarchy is likely to be the most popular among men, yet ironically, as most females tend to prefer being submissive, most females would find it easier to love their males in this society.

Arranged Avunculate Marriages (uncle-niece and aunt-nephew [formally legal in many White countries and informally legal in more; practiced by many powerful dynasties through history]) are perhaps the best way strengthen family-ties and pass knowledge and wealth to the next generation, and these would work even in a society where males and females are legally equal. The Zoroastrian Scholar-Priesthood (of the Persian Empire, Imperial Rome’s competitor), The Magi, went even further and promoted mother-son (and to a lesser extent, father-daughter) marriages with the justification that such unions (resulting eventually in pureblooded lineages favouring recessive traits) were common when humanity was closer to their divine origin. Regardless, for Whites, restricting White males to only having one wife limits White reproductive power, thus White male sexuality should not be restricted beyond not spreading disease and requiring that any true wives be White.

Marriage-less Matriarchy (The Mosuo in China are the best existing example) is one way we could progress from feminism to a more stable society. In this societal form, inheritance is just passed down matrilineally. A males’s close female (maternal) relatives (grandmother, mother, aunts, sisters, nieces) are responsible for taking care of all of his (sexual) needs, either directly, or by proxy. A woman is free to have sex and reproduce with whoever she pleases so long as the males are eugenic Whites and approval is granted by her mother’s brothers.

[Hunter]

@Leo, all good ideas, ideally however, I would like to focus on things I’m interested in, but yeah, if the things I’m interested in don’t bring me in contact with potential friends and wives, I’ll have to take another approach. I’ve recognized my biggest problem as being too caring. The more you care about the outcome of any single opportunity, the more it hurts when you are defeated, and the more you are apprehensive about future interactions—fear of failure increasing the risk of failure. Part of the problem, as I’ve mentioned, are the sheer scarcity of opportunities for interacting and building rapport with gals I’m physically attracted 2, and yes building an IRL network (primarily by infiltrating existing networks) is a step in the right direction.

[Leo]

@Hunter In that scenario, you probably could have asked something requiring a more opinionated response, such as what she thought of the hike (in areas you had not yet seen, assuming you were on your way in and she was on her way out), whether she knows of any similar great hikes or waterfalls nearby, and/or if she has any recommendations for places to visit in the area. It’s always possible to ask her out, too, following such conversation, but it’ll probably be best to be prepared for and/or understanding about rejection. As a homeless man in Philadelphia once told me, “Closed mouths don’t get fed.” Just keep trying at every opportunity you can, buddy.

What I’ve been doing lately in my community, is involving myself in as many local activities, classes, and groups I can discover, and spending some one-on-one or group time with the singles I meet through those, even if I’m not interested in them (as some are also men, or women I’m not attracted to). I’m still in the early stages of networking with them, but I think bringing single 20- and 30-somethings together, creating one’s own singles group, and hosting events like brunch socials and outdoor events, not only helps those singles get connected, it also potentially brings in friends, family members, or other community members that you might connect with!

[Hunter]

On this forum I am as open and honest as I can be, yet the vast majority of people ultimately do not want any potentially unappealing truth and certainly cannot handle hard truth. Seduction is a game that almost always involves deceit. Ultimately, the only people I owe the truth, if I think they can handle it, is my own family: my wives and children. Any wife of mine would owe me sexual fidelity as I define it, and a promise that I will be her first priority. However, I would just offer a promise to care for her and our children in return. Why? The dramatic inequity of men and women. Giving a woman formal control over you as a man ALWAYS reduces her attraction and love for you, despite what she might say. On the other-side, gaining control over a woman ALWAYS increases her attraction and love for you, despite what she might say. Regardless, that’s enough theory it is past time to be IRL.

[Hunter]

@Leo, well, besides this website, I’m not going to be looking further than the city I live in. One thing that seriously aggravates me, is how few opportunities I have to interact with gals I would even potentially be interested in sharing time with, that starts with appearance, response, then injection/GMO status. I ‘met’ a gal that fit the appearance requirement and wasn’t with another guy yesterday, I passed her on a trail, I greeted her with, “how are you doing today” but a socially skilled person would in the moment know how to capture her attention by commenting on her appearance, and asking a question that wouldn’t have a one word answer. I, of course, thought of things I should have said after the moment had pasted, and cursed my lack of quick thinking. This has always been the case, I think of things to say or do after the chance is over, and quite frankly, it is maddening. Personally, the only way to move forward, beyond a miracle, is to increase my opportunities. Yet that is the hardest part, simply being in the same space with a solo potentially attractive gal. Opportunity is 99%+ of attraction, this is the secret everyone loves to ignore and deny. So yes, real social networks, the people you continually meet on at least a monthly basis, is a major part of that 99%.

[Anonymous]

Well here is one woman who likes to flaunt her breasts during her wedding and after! She is likely a liberal being the daughter of a celebrity.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/eva-amurri-marries-chef-ian-202729913.html

[Leo]

@Hunter

Lol, not “a lot” of relationships per se, no; but I have experienced and largely enjoyed a few of them, yes. As an American White man of northwest European ancestry, I have never been with an American White woman of northwest European ancestry; which is who I’m seeking anymore, because I think connecting with a woman who shares my nationality and genetic background will produce a lasting partnership. I’m suspecting these differences in past relationships are why they didn’t work out – also because of some combination of long-distance, lengthy separations (due to COVID-19 travel restrictions), differences in worldviews and/or intelligence, and differences in race as I became racially-conscious. Interestingly, I only became aware of the Jewish problem around the time I was with a Jewess, and of White genocide while I was with a non-White (Latina), ha.

Well, that’s the beauty of life, buddy: we oftentimes learn lessons the hard way and/or in retrospect, but those are the circumstances you’ll always be mindful of going forward. The environments, social networks (actual networks, not social media), and opportunities you immerse yourself into, will certainly gravitate you toward certain types of persons and potential partners. My rule of thumb, is to prioritize surrounding myself with those who are better than me (in some capacity), those I can learn from or grow together with; and that goes for both men and women alike. Anyone else, probably isn’t worth the trouble, or is bound to be on a separate trajectory than yourself.

[Hunter]

Good responses. Thanks @AeonKnight, yes I agree that matriarchy is not an equal of patriarchy. The societies where matriarchy lasts the longest are those societies that favour the mother-son and brother-sister relationship over the man-woman relationship (such societies usually don’t even have the concept of marriage). In other-words, men still play a very large role in a stable matriarchy; women are ‘sexually liberated,’ yet they also have sexual duties (sexually satisfied men have less desire to seek dominance). By the way, even patriarchy used to favour the father-heir/son relationship over the husband-wife relationship, that ended in the West with WW1. @Leo it seems you’ve had a lot of relationships with a lot of women but never found the ‘one’ or at least ‘good enough.’ Meanwhile, I had many opportunities I passed over during my tenure within the institution of formal education, since none of them were good enough (at least as attractive as my mother at that age) for me to consider strict monogamy… and that is what I had been conditioned to look for… now that I have a polygamous orientation, in retrospect, there were quite a few girls I should have experienced. Regardless, it is abundantly clear to me now that the environment(s) you spend time in is 9/10 parts of ‘meeting’ girls… doing an online post-grad degree, has made me realize just how important social environments are. To conclude, it is important to separate societal problems from personal problems, and focus on what we can do individually. A collective problem requires a collective solution, and I shouldn’t need to remind you that sane White men collectively organizing is the greatest fear and external enemy of the satanic-semitic regime that rules the world (possibly) ex-Eurasia (remember that the enemy will never give up attempting to play all sides). Anyway, enough pontificating for one day. Enjoy your weekend!

[AeonKnight]

@Hunter @Leo

I wholly I agree with Hunter, except for the fact that matriarchy is not an option at all. It can exist in a vacuum, for around 5 minutes, and only with stone-age technology (and any matriarchy built now would still depend on infrastructure and laws invented and maintained by men).

I’ve discussed this many times here, so I’m just gonna suggest Rollo Tomassi’s books, as they’re pure, unbiased praxeology. All things make sense, you only need to actually understand them. People are no exception to the laws of natural selection, and Nature couldn’t be simpler.

[Leo]

@Hunter As always, those are some very valid points, my friend.

I am curious of the ways we can act in our own lives though, in reinstating the former gender roles and relations that once existed in Western civilization. I sense I have suffered lifelong programming to my detriment, as much as almost anyone else in our generation, and need to learn how I can not only replenish my own masculine traits, but also restore those feminine traits into other women – particularly a future partner. My last girlfriend and I underwent enormous transformations together, but more so her than me, because of my efforts to increase her awareness of what’s happening in the world. She was very loving, supportive (but also not White, hence why we are no longer together), and emotionally attached, as a woman ought to be, but I really need to learn what ways I can directly influence all this into better directions than how our relationships and/or societies are today. I recently bought a book (among others related to it) called Perfect Womanhood, authored by Mary R. Melendy and published in 1903, focusing on marriage, motherhood, and homeopathy. I intend to read into this older mentality we once held, and see how to best proceed into developing the gender roles and family dynamics that’ll preserve our beloved White race and my own genetic legacy for many generations to come. Any advice welcome!

[Hunter]

Even a wife that knew she’d love her husband more (and be happier) if she could give her formal power to him, would most likely never do so. What can we do peacefully as men? Try and accumulate as much power as possible, especially, physical power since it is the only form of power that women cannot really imitate or steal via gov’t tyranny. Thus, bodybuilding has become one of my major goals. MMA (non-contact) and hunting are additions. As I have learned the hard way, superior intellect only really matters when it can be used to acquire power. The love game is a competitive sport, and more competitive now than ever. Truly, all is fair in love and war. Yet, the love has to be worth the price.

[Hunter]

@Leo, yes, Oswald Mosley advocated for the ‘man of action.’ Here in the West, White men of action are severely persecuted and have little to no power. Want women to be lovely and feminine? Give all the formal power to the men. It really is that simple. Feminism has largely ended the feminine woman. Ultimately, the elephant in the room problem in our White founded countries is 1) White Supremacy within White founded countries is demonized when it should naturally be the official norm 2) Women have both more formal and (this is natural) informal (social) power than men 3) Women despise men that are weak i.e. men that have less power than them. In Belarus, White (albeit Slavic) men are firmly in charge thus women are feminine and attracted to White men. Again, the only stable alternative to patriarchy (what existed in the White world prior to WW2 and especially WW1) is matriarchy, but this feminism certainly isn’t. A matriarchy would hold your mother or next closest and oldest female relative legally liable to care for you, thus emphasizing the maternal relationship of women in relation to men, as the only relationship where a woman can hold a favourable opinion of a man with less power than her, is a maternal-like caregiving relationship.

[Leo]

@John 1982 I know you’re banned from the forums nowadays, but I had no idea that Lukashenko has an official store in Minsk, hahah. I’ve been to that city so many times, and wish I would’ve known about it sooner! I’m sure just about everything in there would be … priceless.

@AeonKnight The official Adolf Hitler store would be his childhood home in Austria, that’s been converted into a human rights training center for policemen, where people are arrested for the simple act of bringing flowers in remembrance of TIME Magazine’s 1938 Man of the Year, lol.

@Hunter I’m unsure of what you mean by the WTL abbreviation? But, yes, I have visited Belarus on several occasions; 2 of my former girlfriends are Belarusian, one was an Orthodox Christian and the other was a Jewish Buddhist (I obviously dated her before I was aware of the Jewish problem), lol. Americans, maybe even Canadians, used to be able to visit and stay for 30-days, visa-free, but that changed a few months before the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian war started, if I recall correctly. I’ve never been to Thailand or Japan, so I can’t comment much on that – although I personally wouldn’t want to relocate there. I’d be happier in Belarus, living in the countryside somewhere. Belarusian women are so creative and feminine, and still uphold traditional gender roles. Their society is certainly not free though; many things we consider normal to do here are inappropriate there. Lukashenko has a reputation of using his power to do whatever he pleases – which, as bad as that can be in some ways, I do respect. For example, he refused to accept the International Monetary Bank’s absurd COVID-19 stipulations, and many Belarusians never faced mask or vaccine mandates like we did. But then again, he also executed the few fellas who tried to disable railroad tracks moving military equipment from Russia that were destined to assist in launching missiles into Ukraine, so … it’s not much of a place for anybody to step out of line. I once went on a difficult hike to the Baikonur Cosmodrone with a Brazilian and Belarusian, and I remember the Belarusian guy told me this after I commented how mature he was compared to me: “In your country, for every 1 year that passes, 3 years pass in Belarus.” Later in our hike from the Russian territory back into Kazakhstan, in the chilly, windy hours of the night, he told me: “If you are cold, then walk faster; and if you are in pain, then walk it off.” That’s the kind of material men are made of over there. The men are born with thick-skin, and the women are raised to be lovely.

[Hunter]

@Leo, it seems you’ve experienced Belarus first hand, and it confirms my ‘armchair’ analysis. Perhaps the optimal WTL solution is to immigrate to Japan or Thailand and import Belarusian women, since Belarus is no land of the free.

[AeonKnight]

@John 1982

I am familiar with them — I haven’t bought anything yet, but they’re great guys, so I plan to. Thanks!

[John 1982]

@AeonKnight

You could check out the goyimtv.shop i have never bought anything there but looks like they have many nice things.

[AeonKnight]

@John 1982

Yeah, I love those haha. I’ll settle for his public domain images then, until we get an official brand. Cheers!

[John 1982]

@AeonKnight

The problem is Hitler is passed away so i dont think he will approve any store or merchandise now. The closest you find is other using his name like there is a few clothing stores in India named Hitler and a Hitler ice cream. In Pakistan they sell Hitler cigarettes and Thailand has a motorbike racing team called “Nazi99”.

[AeonKnight]

@John 1982

That’s hilarious. Where’s the Official Adolf Hitler Store™ though, that’s what I wanna know.

[John 1982]

@Leo

I was in the official Lukashenko store in Minsk and bought a t-shirt with a motive of him holding a AK74 over his head with the text in Russian under “we are heroes” , would be interesting to see any of the weak corrupt western leaders promoting themself like that…

[Leo]

@John

Absolutely, as unfortunately true as that is. Most people were damaged during these past few years, in more ways than one, but I personally feel more resilient and empowered as a result of overcoming the past few years of challenging circumstances. I suspect a lot of people learned many valuable lessons, especially about the type of people and sources of information we want to surround ourselves with, or what’s necessary to preserve our quality of life we sometimes take for granted.

Belarusian culture is fascinating, and every women from the country I’ve ever met or dated has been especially feminine, creative, supportive, and affectionate in so many ways that no American woman I’ve ever known has been. Lukashenko is not very popular among the younger generation (the same ones increasingly accessing social media), at least for those who are political at all – away from Minsk, a fair amount of Belarusians don’t concern themselves with affairs beyond their local community. I personally admire him, Lukashenko, even though I know he’s very much a dictator and rules like one, imprisoning opposition and executing rebellious actors or protestors (which I don’t necessarily support, but maybe that’s a necessity, in his situation). He’s been taking a stand against the powers that be, refusing IMF/World Bank money and their stipulations, and not forcing COVID-19 restrictions on his fellow country men as other traitorous leaders in other nations did. He’s a very interesting man, and not without flaws, but he’s actually protecting his people and his culture from the rest of the world’s bullshit – and, for that, he deserves some respect.

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[John 1982]

@Leo

Interesting story, I guess the covid hysteria made a lot of damage in many ways and set many people back years in different fields.
That being said I remember Belarus holding out very long and the president almost mocking journalists trying to push fake news on him.
That was the second star he got in my book. The first was “it’s better to be a dictator than to be gay”

[Leo]

@Hunter @John

What happened between me and the Belarusian woman was COVID-19. Because of my noncompliance with wearing masks early on, I was fired and/or couldn’t find work anywhere – I lost my career, house, car, and eventually her, too. I was homeless for a while, until I started my own business that became successful enough to generate enough income and restart my career in a workplace that didn’t enforce mask mandates (or the vaccine nonsense). But by then it was too late, I wasn’t able to afford visiting with the Belarusian anymore, for an extended duration. Previously, I visited every 2 or 3 months, and stayed for a decent while each time, or we’d go to other countries together; but for about 2 and a half years during the COVID-19 nonsense, we didn’t see each other at all. In that time, I lessened my attention to her because of my own struggle to survive, and she eventually lost the heartfelt connection we once had, and took an interest in other men nearby and available to attend her, as I was no longer doing. She’s 8 years younger than me, but she gifted me her virginity and we were previously intent on marrying, until that major interruption caused a decline in our relations. We did manage to reconnect last year, but kept it mostly platonic. She also developed some mental health issues more recently, that were of significant concern to me, and she became addicted/suicidal with drug overdoses that she hadn’t been using before, when we were initially together. I think social media is starting to corrupt the Belarusian culture, sadly, as much as the wicked ways of the world are. We decided to keep our separate ways at that point, in part because she was becoming someone I no longer desired to be with. I’ll forever cherish her, her family members I lived amongst, and the striking changes those experiences brought into my mind and life overall, but I suppose it wasn’t meant to be, after all.

[John 1982]

@AeonKnight

Yes many weak women (and men) out there who have been fooled by social media.

I do think many women regnet what they have started when they are stuck with a child from a loser and their “market value” have plummeted. Many try to save what’s left and lock down a good man but most men who are a little awake won’t date families..

That’s also something’s that might be better with family oriented women, they don’t start a family with just anybody.

[AeonKnight]

@John 1982

“Another thing is when a woman is married and have children the chance of hypergamy/monkey swing up is more difficult.”

Modernity shows the opposite. They’re not successful at monkey-branching, but the number of women being tricked by social media warping their self-assessment added to the lack of risk plus monetary gains and trying to do it is enough. Their hindsight regret is irrelevant to the family and men they destroy by taking that chance.

[John 1982]

Women are women but some are good people and if you grew up in a trad society and family you will feel less motivated to destroying your own family. Another thing is when a woman is married and have children the chance of hypergamy/monkey swing up is more difficult.

[AeonKnight]

@John 1982

There are better and worse choices, of course, but hypergamy is a function of womanhood, and even if a man does everything in his power to enforce his role, no individual man can out-alpha the government. Women have zero risk and high reward by filing for divorce, lying, ruining a man’s life for lark, or because they’re bored. I really hope the men here understand that simply finding a village girl, or a virgin, or a religious person, is no panacea. It’s not that every woman will, it’s that every woman could.

[John 1982]

@AeonKnight

I think there is “Trad women” out there as in Traditional women who clings on to a traditional lifestyle where they wish and put effort into making a traditional family and stand against modern decadent society norms like gay pride, drugs and feminism and in general women from more “behind” former east block countries are more traditional but sure there is rotten apples there too.

I know several men who have found wives in places like that and its not like as soon as they land in Norway they suddenly worship gays and glory holes, they still want the traditional life they wanted before and some even see how mad the western world has become and despises what happening even more.

[AeonKnight]

@Hunter

Just a note on “(although slavic, not Aryan)”: Aryan is a meaningless term. It doesn’t mean White, much less Germanic, and the “Aryans” Germans created the term for were Yamanaya, which, ironically, Slavs have more DNA from.

@John 1982

It’s because there is not such thing as a “trad woman”: there are only women. Bring a virgin girl from a Russian village into Western Europe, and she’ll enforce hypergamy like a native (as she should). It doesn’t mean she’s broken — quite the opposite, in fact.

[John 1982]

I would also like to hear what happened to the Belarusian trad woman?
Have been in Belarus and didn’t get the tradwife feeling from the women but was only in the big city Minsk and big city and women is usually not a good combo…

[Hunter]

An unfortunate fact of any ‘society’ is that when you trigger one woman for not conforming to her every whim, she will go to all the other women and try to trigger them too. They will work to poison everyone against you for their own ego. Of course, if you do somehow manage to conform to her every whim, she is very unlikely to be attracted to you since she will perceive you as weak.

[Hunter]

Yes, Belarus must be the last serious White (although slavic, not Aryan) country in Europe. I’m curious as to why Ms. Belarus got away? As for women and the rare girl (virgin under 20) badmouthing me, that’s par for the course and there is no point trying to please women or girls that you have no realistic (sexual) chance with in the short-term. They will only resent you for being weak. They’ll resent you for not submitting to them too, hell in most cases they’ll resent you no matter what you say or do. Note that I’m not saying women MUST be ‘traditional,’ I’m libertarian. I’m just rejecting being unrealistic, bitchy, and pointlessly deceitful.

[Leo]

Lol, some woman complained about you to me via private message the other day, and thereafter blocked me (she uses this and another dating platform that we’re both on) because I suggested still being respectful to non-Whites (I guess that was her reason?), but now I can see why she feels a certain type of way about you … I appreciate you making plenty of excellent arguments though, and I enjoy reading all the insight from your mind, even if I’m not entirely in agreement. Your awareness seems very advanced, and your commentary about feminism definitely feels accurate – it’s rather concerning how much is affected by it, all across society but especially in the realm of dating.

I’ve had the great pleasure of a past relationship where the woman was a submissive, supportive, and affectionate housewife type. She was from a very poor, old-fashioned family in the countryside of eastern Europe (Belarus) with an entirely different upbringing than what’s commonly available in our societies – and trust me when I say I’ve dated my fair share of non-traditional women, too (high turnover, lol). It’s amazing what a difference there is between the two. I don’t know that I’ll ever find such a woman again, but it’s absolutely desirable to myself and most sensible men, and I hope more women in our societies aspire to uphold those attractive, historic gender roles again.

[Hunter]

I have noticed, that the women here, most of whom claim to be traditional or want to be traditional, by which they typically mean a 1950s housewife lifestyle, do not understand why this is nearly impossible now. The first problem is feminism. Feminism is not just a mental construct anymore, it has reshaped law and society. Women are encouraged to work and are frequently promoted over men, this means that at a minimum, women reduce the potential wages of men by 50%. Now of course there is DIE, I mean DEI including regime-sponsored mass-invasion (Whites in the process of being exterminated). This further eliminates the ability of White men to be providers. Beyond this, even women that claim not to be feminists are often still conditioned by feminism. This explains the phenomenon of women (even from this dissident website) acting hostile to men. If a woman does not want to submit to a man, she can merely ‘leave.’ A polite woman will at least provide a truthful explanation rather than ‘ghost’ but even ‘ghosting’ is better than acting hostile like a ‘bitch.’ Unfortunately, feminism has turned most women (when you scratch the surface) into ‘bitches.’ For these reasons, most women on this website will never truly ‘match’ with a man here… and this website is better than all other online alternatives as far as I am aware. Additionally, even those women who have not been vax’d post-2019, show little favour to each-other let alone men. Some will accuse me of being ‘blackpilled’ or weak for failing to provide solutions, but guess what? To begin to solve a problem you must first identify it. That is the real world. The only macro-solution to the problems of sane White men and White survival is REVOLUTION: seizing control of ‘governments’ and the superior systems ‘money’ and ‘media.’ The best way to start this process is to create parallel societal systems, yet this requires secret and secure mass-communications. As for closer to ‘home’ solutions, local networking and wise activism or immigration to a better jurisdiction.

[Hunter]

Any discussion related to society is welcome here.

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