[Sigma]

Men = does critical jobs that women cannot do

Women = could easily be replaced

Men need women for procreation alone.

Women need men for procreation AND survival

Single mother homes = 77% of divorce, suicide, drug use, prison inmates.

Single father homes = just as good as two parents homes.

Men ARE the prize. End of story

[Anonymous]

I believe everyone should be themselves. (Some may be beautiful, some may be ugly.) To speak one’s mind means staying true to yourself and trusting the other part, because he can trust and respect you. To be submissive is lying.

[J]

I think we should work together.

A lot of men aren’t taught how to consult others and our natural instinct is to try and accomplish things on our own merit so we have a bad habit of ignoring our women or forcing through our way.

With my last gf, about 70% of the time she was the one who would ask me questions, and I would figure things out or decide what we would do. In that other 30% though I’d ask her, because I trusted her and valued her input. If you can’t trust your girl then the relationship is sour.

[Anonymous]

Les femmes blanches doivent avoir en moyenne 3 à 4 enfants si on veut continuer à survivre dans cet enfer racial, le problème des blancs est qu’ils ne font plus assez d’enfants.

[Anonymous]

So i have looked into ways of defining tradition and here’s what i found:

Archetypal myths, that explain the nature of the world through symbolism. An archetype is a universal symbolic pattern.
A way of life in a particular age or place.
A set of national principles based on God, Country, Family
An historical memory or historical consciousness associated to the more recent past in a given generation.
A body of religious teachings to be preserved and transmitted to future generations.

Maybe for the purpose and context of this topic the second definition is more appropriate assuming we place ourselves in a western culture stretching from at least 3000 years back? Gender roles have been pretty stable and consistent.

Assuming a different definition, gender roles are pretty much characterised the same way, anyway. At least as far as my understanding and knowledge goes as a westerner.

Should we agree on a definition on it then?

[Anonymous]

In the context of this conversation, arguing over what someone means by “traditional” just seems contrarian to me. How could you possibly not understand what is meant by ‘traditional gender roles’ unless you are just disingenuously participating in the discussion to create argument.

You bring up polygamy but I would like to know more about where you see this in any European tradition. Mormon is the only one I know of; it’s not in native European spirituality – in the Eddas, which are our primary source of knowledge about pre-christian European religion, the Aesir are paired off in 1 to 1 relationships.

[Anonymous]

@Geva I think this goes to show my point Traditional seems to be “what I like” and what is nontraditional is what “I dont like” its very subjective. To me that is Catholicism and paganism. I am a Reformed Christian and in our tradition the pope is the Antichrist, but that is really not relevant to the topic other than to demonstrate I am consistent in my traditions. Polygamy was quite traditional in European and Christian tradition but its nontraditional to you because you don’t like it that’s fine I am not trying to advocate for it. As far as the Jews are concerned they were the elitists who perverted Christianity. MY point is traditional is meaningless unless people list what tradition or what time and what place most reflects their view of tradition.

[Anonymous]

I might have missed the underlying argument but yes. In gender role dynamics yes, including division of labour. And excluding polygamy as a tradition I would add.

When you said you can’t tolerate a religion that prays to a woman do you think catholicism? Or pagan traditions like pachamama, shivas, Calypsos, Freyjas and that sort of feminine deities? If we could all approach spirituality always from a symbolic representation of reality I think most eastern cultures if not all would realise the tale and characters tell the same story. The hero is a male with a great destiny but along his journey he encounters obstacles of different nature. Merits and glory being his, there’s always a woman figure at least, playing a pivotal role in his achievement and so deeply united by their flesh relationship, that it is impossible to tell he would have succeeded without her influence. That might explain why some feminine characters have deserved attention and devotion.

And to get back to Faustus I don’t think citing the Bible or any other source legitimises anything or forces anyone to comply to anything. It’s just text. If it is at the heart of so much controversy, manipulation and division, that’s precisely why I would recommend you get acquainted with it, with an open mind and get your thoughts and IQ on it. The tiny hats certainly don’t want you to, they killed Christ with the same purpose they strive to eradicate any representation of greatness, virtue, fellowship and sacrifice. Christianity has always been the priority target, now that they succeeded to divide it and materialism and nihilism is widely spread, let’s go for eastern cultures in its material representation: the white man. They believe they are entitled to the privileges of a godly covenant despite their constant rebellion and despite being warned so many times. They are doomed by choice and they hate it, so they go about sowing their seeds of division lies and deception. If you think so badly about christianity, that only the mention of anything related to it itches you, sorry but that’s exactly where they want you.

[Anonymous]

So traditional is not what it has been since the beginning of time it is just the segregation and division of labour.

[Anonymous]

I am inclined to keep traditional gender roles definition undefined to some extent, and join Silvermane in his definition or as some others have said. Spouses form a symbiotic relationship from which not only kids but also all aspects of a living come to see life. Their roles are equally important that is not to say forces or authority should be challenged. They unite for a common purpose, each have their own realm of responsibility to see its fulfilment but leadership and authority should be the male’s. We lady’s can assert and should promote/influence our husbands in this role because it is in our interest to strengthen our position as a unit. How could emasculating them by cancellation bring any good to a relationship?

A woman can be fierce and vocal and a man should not label it as a sign of liberal influence straight away. A woman can be agreeable and submissive and fail at withstanding and owning her traditional role. Submission is often mentioned in relation to women, it is a bit annoying to find this recurring topic spoken mainly online thus strangers where specially men assert how we should and should not be, but then I think of the number of emasculated men i have met, or the number of counter intuitive liberal non sense and degeneration of society and commit to not approach gender role discussion from a gender perspective. The fight is against good and evil. Not against men and women.

Be good.

[Anonymous]

@silvermane that could still be vague, the majority of the time has been where men wield absolute power over the woman to the point of them being property. I am wrong in interpreting it this way? I think traditional by your definition is a Pater Familias. Don’t get me wrong no judgement. IF there are any women like that on here please email me first! Most people when they say traditional they really mean more of a modern idea of liberal-lite. Also this would also mean we could include polygamy, something that was practiced by whites in Europe even during Christianity not even just the pagans. I would conclude many of our pagan male friends on this forum would not dare practice. Again no judgement just facts. I just think its good for everyone should be on the same page or atleast understand that some of us are on different pages. When you say traditional and a woman claims to be traditional we have many traditions,really even before modern times.

[silvermane]

Traditional, as is what man and woman relationships been since the beginning of time.

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[Anonymous]

@silvermane who’s tradition? I hear that alot and just want to make sure we are all on the same page for clarity, I think its good if we say what this role is in less abstract terms. I think this could be a very good and healthy subject even worth its own thread if someone would be kind to start one.

[silvermane]

As long as the woman in the relationship adheres to traditional gender role, then that is good enough.

[Anonymous]

I am neither emotional nor angry, I was just astounded.I just found his comment to be very unwhite and reminded me of the liberal tactics. As far as him not wanting to debate the issue, it just goes to show me that he knew he was engaging in a logical fallacy before he even pressed submit. this is how it works you comment to me, and I comment back, if you don’t want to get a reply (and yes saying “I don’t want to debate” does not deter me from correcting a fallacy) then don’t reply to me. As John Wayne said, “I am responsible for what I say not for your understanding.” If the guy cant handle the scrutinizing of what he says then the simple answer is don’t say it. If we are not going to act white and use those big brains of ours and need to act like liberals and other races well to be honest what do we have to offer? I have not animosity towards Italiano though he might feel humiliated and often this can cause resentment. My advice is for him to do what all learning people should do, ask questions and do not be so matter of fact and dogmatic until he has learned the fundamentals. The answer is not to have your high IQ individuals such as me coddle people but instead utilize us to ask us questions and learn. Iron sharpens Iron and good company sharpens a mind. I hope things here don’t get “dull” pun intended. There are many indirect things I have let go in order to maintain the peace in this forum, but he replied to me.

[ItsNatural]

@JustAWhiteGuy It’s a little refreshing to see someone expressing their anger and personal ideas emotionally here. But notice that Italiano didn’t get so emotional and offensive talking to you. We are all supposed to be on the same side on this site, and I think he didn’t deserve that. We’re on the same team. It’s about not focusing on negativity and focusing on solutions here. Of course, he’s going to pick out one part that he thought could be not said and the reason why. Why would he have to praise everthing else you said? And he did say he didn’t want to get an arguement about it and said also that the whole thread was great. I see where you’re coming from, too, and that’s a great point as well. I also don’t get hung up on words. Maybe he’s just saying in the eyes of our enemies, it would be used against us and be laughable. Something akin to white people listening to rap music, overusing the word ‘cool’, sagging our pants, and talking like a black, such as ‘sheeit’, ‘tryna’, ‘be like’, etc. A constructive pro-white suggestion.

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[Anonymous]

I have great respect for many pagans, and I would marry a pagan woman over a Catholic woman everyday of the week. I just cant tolerate a religion that prays to a woman, it demeaning and distasteful for men to do that in my opinion and upends the natural order. If I were not to be a puritan Christian, I would adopt Roman Paganism. Lets be honest most people are too dumb to make their own decisions and their inclinations are not natural I think modern liberalism is a good example of this. Protestantism has been very good to my ancestors and was conceived by them in Britain. I think one of the Greatest men to ever live was Oliver Cromwell and we would do well to have a leader such as him for our people today. I think we would do better to also recognize that white people are not monolithic. “Whites” are in my opinion of several difference races. Germans are not Celts, and Celts are not Slavs etc. I think we would do better to look at the idea of a white confederacy of people with unique identities. There is a good chance I will marry a Slavic woman but my children will be raised British Christian. As far as whitewashing (yay! he said the word of the week!) it really was just a silly and unproductive thing for him to say and just an example of someone playing the liberal game by the liberal word game rules. If you want to be like our ancestors then talk plain and un-apologetically as they did. I mean look at us using parenthesis around words (i.e. (((Christianity)))). Just say what you mean. I am not trying to be a schismatic, Its not that I wish pagans ill or even Catholics, but for me some pagans are acceptable to marry in my family unit and while others I would never accept. What one generation tolerates the next accepts. To me I do not believe in buildings of worship, I work twice as hard on Sunday as work is worship and not a curse. Work was first instituted in the Garden of Eden before the fall of man and was not a consequence of the fall. To me the roman pagan Pater Familias is quite compatible with Christianity. If Italiano is right for arguendo sake, and those words can hurt us then what a pitiful race we are and quite frankly have no hope. I do not believe we are without hope but I do believe we are carrying way too much liberal baggage and need to go back to simple ways. When my people conquered (Yes we took that land from the Indians in combat as they took it from other Indians, I will not apologize because my ancestors were smarter and had better weapons and technology, I will not apologize for winning and yes we carved our great men into their sacred mountains with pride and glee!) North America it was a single verse in the bible that saved our Empire and first successful colony in Jamestown, and that was “He who does not work shall not eat.” There are too many lazy whites that honestly their only claim to fame is that they are white. Being white does not mean you are great it means you have potential and to waste that potential is worse than being born any other race who had no potential to squander. This is why other races eat us alive, we have grown soft and weak. Herodotus said from “rugged lands come rugged men.”

[Anonymous]

@justawhiteguy
A religion should reflect the followers’ natural inclinations and spirituality. If you have to use the book of your religion as evidence or proof for your values, then you just have a belief based on solipsism and a list of rules. It is why (((Christianity))) needs to be enforced or pushed onto its followers, instead of the followers naturally believing.

There are logical and self-evident reasons why the domain of women is the domestic world and the domain of men is the exterior world. Just take a transcript of certain parts of Hitler’s speeches to have a clear line of reasoning as well as an uplifting vision of the role of women in society.

AFAIK “white wash” is a painters term where a diluted white paint is applied to a surface to conceal imperfections. I don’t think it has anything to do with anti-white sentiment, but if someone believes otherwise I’d be glad to hear it.

[Anonymous]

@Italiano the fact that you find that to be the part that you chose to focus on in my post I find depressing. How someone can swallow a camel and gag on a gnat has always been beyond me. All I can say is wow. I think “white-wash” is my word for the week now.

[Italiano]

@JustAWhiteGuy,not that I’m interested in getting into a debate about this topic, but don’t you find using the term whitewash a little bit condescending towards our people? Just trying to push our people to move away from self deprecating speech and a self deprecating thought process in the sense we shouldn’t equate something negative towards ourselves. Other than that I think this is an excellent thought provoking thread !

[Anonymous]

To me God has settled it in the Bible where he has made the Husband God’s representative over the family. I think as men we should not white wash this. If someone is not Christian that is fine, but I really see no room in this in the Bible. This is why I prefer Kings and Caesars over presidents. I read a book that Greatly influenced me by William Tyndale called the Obedience of a Christian man and how rulers ought to govern. In Titus 2:5 (King James Version) it says:
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
William Tyndale’s book Greatly influenced my ancestor King Henry VIII of England Wales and France who was read this book and birthed nationalism (One of the Greatest vehicles of Government.) Though perhaps I am bias by blood and religion.

[Anonymous]

I think operating as a team would be a more appropriate point of view. traditionally the man took care of business outside of the home where danger lurked, while women stayed closer to the community. we are all equally responsible for the community, just in different ways. As far as discussing who naturally possesses a position of authority and which of us seems better suited to the task… call me old fashioned but I feel men are the most appropriate choice. One good reason is birth rate. Many women forego family to chase a career, while men chase a career for the family.

[sparrow14]

‘The exception does not make the rule. If a few women are astute enough to NOT vote for the destruction of their men, to NOT be brainwashed by the endless propaganda around them, does not mean that ALL women should then be allowed the vote. You are a highly impressionable gender, very much prone to group-think and vacuous virtue-signaling. That’s just historical and spiritual fact’
I agree in full with this post

A lot of women here seem to be clinging to their individualistic, liberal, feminist conditioning and have a very poor idea of what good traditionalist nationalist men deserve and want.
I am not perfect but I would truly hope that if I slipped and embarrassed myself with some of the statements above, that a good man would care to take the time to be honest with me.

I am trying not to feel sad for nor embarrassed for some of these ladies as I know I still have a lot of unlearning to do but it is shocking that women have found themselves here still flapping their jaws, dying to be in the mans realm, feeling insecure and desperate for equality and even boasting superiority over something like IQ.
I admire those men whom shine in their logic, their well researched perspectives, their masculine role of leadership, their ability to dominate and thus protect in vital matters.
Ive seen more ego in some of the women posting here than the men.
I feel relieved and lucky to experience submission. Hard work in areas that I wasnt meant for are exhausting for me in every area. I would gladly enjoy the peace of caring for a good man and children if I was ever so blessed to have had that fate.
Equality is not natural. Everything natural is effective and beautiful and women should be grateful for any many happy to provide it.

I also agree with Halston, there are many guys whom step into a nationalist role but do not represent the values and are ungrateful of good women and even cruel or abusive toward them.
And while men may want to hold permanent claim to the woman they are grateful for and intend to keep for always, Id be careful to use dehumanized terms for a person you care for. Using the term property for a human is often used by abusive men and good women are generally the more gentle, cute and happily submissive types and while theyre happy to submit this doesnt are afraid of abusive men. Abusive men come off like entitled feminists, egotistical, constantly nagging and insecure, self serving and miserable to be with. Good women do not want to be with men whom might make horrible or miserable fathers. Men dont want to be with women whom never stop nagging and complain and insert themselves where it is a man is most effective and has chosen that realm as his for any reason

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[ItsNatural]

@JustAWhiteGuy Well, thanks for sharing your thougts and views, but I don’t think that really anyone on here is thinking the way that you are accusing them to be. I think we are on the same page. Yes, we know it’s not just about making babies, but passing down our culture and spirit. I personally haven’t believed in voting for over a decade now, at least.

[Anonymous]

I have noticed alot of my comments could be perceived of criticism of women (whom I still stand by my criticism) but what I would like to say my criticism of women does not vindicate the men. I think that the major problems is almost everyone one any more is a liberal. Conservative has lost its meaning. Many times someone will ask are you a liberal or a conservative ( I use this instead of Republican and Democrat because this is not just true for the Americans). I think that its a false choice; let me give an example. If I were to ask you are you a Bolshevik or a Menshevik, many might reply I am not a communist, so neither. I am a Christian and I realize that many on here are pagan (many pagans I would consider quite righteous in many regards.), none the less as Christ said, you can not put new wine in old wine skins, meaning that you can not use the Old system to bring about something new. I feel that many of us in our live are guilty of just wanting to be white liberals. We can not walk away without looking back in horror and missing Sodom and Gomorrah. I mean Honestly what is so great about voting? Most our ancestors used councils or Emperors/Kings. We are so worried about passing on just our genes that we fail to pass on our ancestors ideas. We raise white children as ideological orphans. There are many pro-life women who wish to vote pro-life but if we were to stop to think about it, if women never had the right to vote then would abortion ever have been allowed to begin at all? Would any woman on here give up her right to vote if it ended abortion or is she so in love with the false sense of power that comes with voting that children being aborted is ok? Personally I believe that abortion is not a terrible problem, for the most part its poor degenerates that are killing their own children and who will just grow up to be leeches and wicked. Let the wicked kill their young so that our righteous children will not be oppressed by them! I am not a revolutionary nor do I wish to fight, and no I am not a defeatist. I just think we should walk away and not bring Sodom’s garbage with us. As long as we just strive for liberalism-light then we are just delaying the doom on our grandchildren. In the West an unholy and unspoken truce was made with liberalism. It simply stated that we will give you a chance to convert our kids into abominations if you will let us live out our lives, well folks now that they have perverted/converted our children we have nothing to offer. It is sad how we sacrificed our children on the alter of liberalism that the God of Liberalism might leave us in peace until we die! It reminds me of Hezekiah who showed his great wealth to foreigners from mesopotamia (Babylon). At this time the Babylonians were not so wealthy but they spent the next 100yrs building themselves up that they might take the Kingdom of Judah’s great wealth. Hezekiah was told by Isaiah that this would come to pass and Hezekiah was relieved that atleast it would not happen in his life time. Are we acting like Hezekiah just happy that we will not see the humiliation of our children in our life time? I think Honestly both sexes need a good kick in the ass as they are both being selfish.

[ItsNatural]

I think these are all excellent thoughts on this. For me, this is all cerebral logic and arguements, which is great. But as far as I’m concerned, let’s not forget it’s our beautiful, gut intstincts to have more patriarcy societies. It’s natural and ‘just right.’ Healthy men want to lead and take care of and protect a woman and a woman wants a man to snuggle with, lean on for protection, and love in her own wonderful way. One doesn’t have to think deep about it nor should have to explain it. This is what the enemy threw into the world, AGAIN, to really make it a warring, sad place again to divide us. The birds in the air have more sense than most humans these days. I don’t think engaging in any of the enemies’ tactics to defensively argue for patriarcy, race homogenity, etc. is the way to go. That’s what they want. Just let’s go and do what we got to do unfettered by their division.

On a side note, I don’t think anything is written in all stone. So, it’s also sometimes like a partnership between couples. And a woman’s traditional roles and responsibilities that she has are very unique, beautiful, and important and that is unfortunately being lost intentionally in the world today with the leftist pawns.

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[Anonymous]

“Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny.” – Aristotle
Honestly I have not been able to verify if Aristotle said, I honestly dont care if its just attributive its still apt.
I think the problem is women have too much to say in a realm they are not adapted to. God made man the way man is made, sorry if you dont like it but its the truth, and to fight that is to fight God himself.

[Anonymous]

@Geva From what I understand, there has never been any unambiguously matriarchal societies in human history. We have had some past cultures with aspects that could be interpreted as matriarchal, but these were always subordinate to an overall egalitarian or patriarchal framework. Primitive, archaic matriarchy is largely wishful thinking inspired by early socialist, and later feminist, ideology. I do know that some Celtic tribes were reputed as displaying matriarchal traits and the problem with Celtic tribes is that they were always warring with one another, which made them vulnerable to conquest; which is what ultimately happened. I don’t think matriarchal societies are necessary for women to be free or have a voice in the game. We need look no further than Sparta. Spartan women were comparatively freer compared to their Hellenic sisters, let alone the surrounding societies, despite Sparta being the purest manifestation of a patriarchal society; rivalled perhaps only by Islam. Their women even had a hand in the administration of the State.

@Wolff I can see your point, but that relationship is a two-party dance. It is far easier for a man to neglect his marital duty of listening to his wife/mother than it is for a wife to neglect her duty of being subservient. What is a woman to do when the man neglects his duty? Should they just suck it up like Muslim women and pray their men see the error of their ways?

[Anonymous]

Very interesting posts!

Does anyone know what happened to matriarchies and why they thrived/collapsed?

I have a gut feeling that the reason male dominate our societies in different areas is because since the beginning of times, and constantly underlying our existence, there’s a battle between good and evil. You want strong competitive and skilled warriors to fight it in the arena without fear. Knowing his heirs will eventually grow to be or to bear the next generation of warriors who will fight the final battle and see the enemy defeated once and for all.

[Anonymous]

Well I can’t deny that, based on my observations of world history, patriarchal societies tend to be more stable and successful. That being said, there are plenty of nominally pro-white white men out there who I wouldn’t trust with the care of my daughters. It very much depends on the man and if he is worthy of the deference that he is expecting of the woman. Men must prove themselves worthy of respect to be taken seriously by other men. So why should it be any different with women? Of course it also depends on what you mean by “submission”. Are we talking about legally codifying gender roles and relations, something akin to actual White Sharia?

[Wolff]

In response to the OP, the two options presented are not mutually exclusive. This is a common belief I have noticed that women have.

Here’s my view. I marry a girl. She accepts that she is coming into my world and under my protection and guidance. She becomes my property to do with as I see fit. At the same time she is also my most trusted advisor, my lover, companion, and giver of my heirs. My boys will grow up into the role of a man and will thus have jurisdiction over the family once I pass them that honor. With that comes the responsibility of listening to their mother. They have the last say but will always treat their mother as a mother and not a subservient even though she is subservient to them. It is an unspoken life lesson that is taught through love and guidance and not something that ever tangibly needs to be spoken to the boys.

[Stephenm85]

It’s better that it be a partnership and now one dominate over another. While men to typically think logically and women more with their feelings. There are times that either feelings could mean more or at the least it’s in the reverse for those roles. Women are vastly important which is why there are some cases of controlling them so they don’t get hurt. But if she is strong and understands when there is danger to herself and in some cases her children, she will act logically. So no I don’t think one should control the over, but both should be willing to listen to each other.

[Anonymous]

“Deferring to an inferior being is not an option.”

No, it’s not. But it’s a matter of perception.

[Anonymous]

“IQ is only part of the equation. You have to boost the men’s ego and make them feel like they are the ones in charge. That should increase your options.”

Deferring to an inferior being is not an option.

[Anonymous]

IQ is only part of the equation. You have to boost the men’s ego and make them feel like they are the ones in charge. That should increase your options.

[Anonymous]

I have an I.Q. of 147. That means the OVERWHELMING percentage of men should be submitting to ME.

[ItsNatural]

@ Tetro All right, I apologize now that you said you were just joking. At the time, though, it didn’t sound like it to me.

[Anonymous]

@WhiteyWhiteGuy I am happily married, thank you, and I will continue to vote.

WE SHOULDN’T BE NEEDLESSLY QUARRELING. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ENEMY WANTS.

We should be united and focusing on our interests and goals, looking past the ideas which divide us.

I bet the troll who started this thread has more accounts and is watching with delight how this fight escalated.

It is obvious that within our movement there will still be different opinions. We can’t let them divide us.

[Anonymous]

Yeah we’ve hit new levels of cringe with women talking politics and muh right to vote nonsense…you will not find husbands voicing the opinions I’m seeing in here.

[Anonymous]

The exception does not make the rule. If a few women are astute enough to NOT vote for the destruction of their men, to NOT be brainwashed by the endless propaganda around them, does not mean that ALL women should then be allowed the vote. You are a highly impressionable gender, very much prone to group-think and vacuous virtue-signaling. That’s just historical and spiritual fact.

Democracy is a joke, always has been. Any decent society is run by the elders, who have various levels of influence and SOMETIMES vote amongst themselves. At the end of the day, no one should have a ‘vote.’ Voting doesn’t change or decide what’s moral, what’s right or wrong. All voting does is give opportunities for bad actors to manipulate the people and the process and corrupt government and all of society.

No one should vote, Democracy is a total joke. Always has been and always will be. Case closed.

Why are women and men even talking about this here? This forum should be shut down because it’s already devolved into a “muh feelings are hurt” cry-fest by girls. The women on this forum are not doing themselves any favors by voicing their “opinions”. 95% of the men on this site will run for the hills if they hear some woman crying about her ‘right to vote’ or some such nonsense. Don’t even mention the word ‘patriarchy’ to real men these days unless you’re openly celebrating it.

Please shut this entire thread down. The men here are not interested in dicussing politics with women, they’re interested in finding traditional, pro-white wives who are pleasant in personality, not whining about ‘patriarchy’ and ‘MY RIGHT to VOTE!’.

[Anonymous]

“@ Tetro Is it really necessary to be mean to her about that? ”

Is it really necessary to not understand when someone is being silly and making a joke, aka not ‘being mean’? If I were being ‘mean’ I would have said, “Her mom’s a whore.” But I wasn’t seeking to be mean, just to make a stupid joke with an old expression “you’re mom….”. It’s quite literally a fifth-grade level joke and retort, something so juvenile that it could not be taken seriously.

This is why women ruin everything. Hypersensitivity.

[ItsNatural]

I don’t like how ‘Marie’ was deleted, just because she brought up differing views of someone else’s. @ Tetro Is it really necessary to be mean to her about that? What you said the other day was great to me about accepting other whites and then you say that? I am so sick of stupid infighting between whites. It’s disgusting, not a good way to live, won’t further whites, and is handing the game to the enemies, especially now when it’s really bad. For all we know, there could be a shutdown in the Net within the next couple of months. Come on, get it together and be friendly toward your fellow whites. So she said how she really felt and it must have been bothering her, and she wanted to see what others thought about it. At least she was talking and brainstorming instead of infighting and doing nothing. If there was a problem, I think admininstrator could’ve talked to her about it first.

[Anonymous]

I do not know why abortion is a hot button topic. You do realize that minorities get abortions and liberal whites. Do you really think its a bad idea to abort liberals children who will just grow up to be little satanists. I say let them abort and let us breed. I am interested in results, if that means we can get better results by taking a woman’s vote away well that is great and it means taking away from men too and just having a king well even better! I would also suggest that abortion laws are because women influencing the courts and the election, so you think women should be allowed to vote because they can correct mistakes they made? I say we just prevent the problem before it starts. I am not sure if you are christian but abortion against sinners is a judgement of God and it seems that society spends most of its time and energy trying to protect people from and nullify the judgments of God. Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB).
It is also shown in the books of Moses that God aborted babies who were conceived because their mothers were adulteresses.

[Anonymous]

Yeah I read a bit about how women shouldn’t be able to vote or have authority. Something to do with the fact they have been given rights that they don’t deserve because they still have less responsibility than men and are given special privileges. I found it really interesting because it’s literally only been 100 years or so of women having rights and so far it’s been disastrous. Ironically it was men that gave women the vote though…

[Anonymous]

I would like to add one more thing. I absolutely DETEST it when men say that women shouldn’t have the right to vote.
White, nationalist, married women should. Maybe 18-year-olds not yet. But I ALWAYS voted pro patriae my whole life since I turned 18 and obtained the right to vote.
Even though I had a rebellious phase during high school, I was raised in a good, PHALLOCENTRIC (ha!), patriarchal, conservative home and I was taught the right values.

I don’t know about your countries, but in my homeland, it is ONLY female politicians who are fiercely fighting for the rights of babies and unborn babies. Often they are mothers.

They fight for changing the law so that abortion as a means of belated contraception is illegal (and they managed to do that). And we all know that illegal brownies don’t have abortions.

I love to vote, I always vote, and if I couldn’t, I would feel that the parliament or presidential candidate lost an important vote. I also have many conservative female friends who vote, too.

I have, on the other hand, radical or moderately leftist male acquaintances and it’s them who I would take this right away from.

[Anonymous]

She might have been a troll but she did a good thing by waking users up, stirring emotions and making this forum alive. 🙂

I didn’t like the “phallocentric” term either but I thought I was just overreacting.

Look at how many replies we received and, in the end, we agree about the core. This is good! :)))

[Anonymous]

That troll’s mom is phallocentric. (owned!)

[Anonymous]

Race mixing is an abomination and original sin. It’s the number one contributer to White genocide. I see nothing funny about it. This is why women shouldn’t have any authority under any circumstances. Full stop.

[Anonymous]

Haha I’m not sure I’d go as far as to call it an abomination to procreate with a different race but I don’t really think It’s a good thing cause yeah then there won’t be any white people anymore. Like for me I’m Irish so having children with another Irish man or even another man with a close culture, like British or maybe American, is what I think is best. I don’t want the hassle of having a culturally divided and mixed family. I want my children to have a strong sense of identity. But yeah asian or african races are very different to European countries. I’ve never even considered going out with an african or asian man but it does seem men don’t think that way for whatever reason.

But yeah while our white nations are being mixed, it’s funny the countries like china, japan and most african countries are remaining ethnically and culturally homogenous. So it’s only us who are doing this mixing. I do wonder sometimes is everyone else around me blind?? Like do people in Ireland really not care when we see sooo many different races living here…

[Anonymous]

Race mixing with an Asian is just as bad as with any other race. It’s an abomination and should be treated as such. It’s better to remain single than commit this unforgivable act of treason against your race. Many white men who go down this path end of hating their mixed family too and they should.

[Anonymous]

Justawhiteguy is right that men do have a right to be angry at how unfair the system is for them but I think it’s important to keep in mind it’s bad for both white men and white women.

If you are a simple minded traditional white woman it is hard to find a man to live happily with because the systems in place don’t really promote for men to be the provider and breadwinner, which is what a lot of women want. Also just like you said lots of white men are marrying asian women or just foreign women in general so white women don’t feel wanted really anymore. There’s just so much hate for us by men. White women have been turned into something a lot of them never would have wanted. I know I certainly don’t like the progressive future for me. It’s just quite sad.

[Administrator]

This whole thread is another didactic play about how anti-white trolls operate. “Phallocentric patriarchy”, this completely absurd term already rings alarm bells. The troll was deleted and its email banned.

[Anonymous]

Oh Asian women are a real danger to white nationalism. I know many white men who get Asian wives and I know of several in my age group who are going to use white eggs and their own white sperm and implant it into Asian women. Economically its great the insemination is cheaper than a divorce! There are also many men who just bypass the women altogether and just get a surrogate. It use to be that white women were vital to a healthy family, but now they don’t feed their families correctly. The women defraud their husbands and their houses of their duty as women in the eyes of God. They have managed to shirk their duties so long and think that their sole purpose is to get pregnant (and sometimes not even with their husband’s child). If that’s all they want to contribute then these white nationalist that I know make a good and valid point! If you don’t want to do your job as a wife you can be outsourced! If white men are so bad then immigrant women will do the “jobs” and men that you don’t want to appreciate.

[Anonymous]

Actually I think DaintyLady is mostly wrong. Firstly, Macron, and I am not a fan , but he has been fighting radical Islam in France to the point of giving Muslims basically an ultimatum: adopt French values or gtfo. I’m not sure what happened but he went from globalist shill to Charles Martel seemingly overnight. He should be deporting them and stopping immigration but at least he’s standing up to them. Secondly, and I am no fan of Islam, I consider it an antichrist religion but sharia law isn’t the worst law imaginable. I think you are just spouting typical rhetoric that we hear from females on the subject. Jews have done a great job of creating fear in this regard where there really should be none. Sharia Law is better than the current system we have of usury and both sexes being put to work to create more tax wealth for the jews. Which is the original purpose of feminism btw. We don’t need sharia law obviously but if we returned to original Christian Law we could have all the benefits without women being spooked by the whole sharia thing.

[Anonymous]

JustAWhiteGuy is correct too. The use of the term “phallocentric patriarchy” is highly suspect and reeks of feminist anti male lingo.

[Anonymous]

Yes, white women should submit to their men in all ways, unless you want the epidemic of white men marrying submissive Asian women to continue, which I do not. Women should absolutely never have any authority in a relationship whatsoever, they should be treated like property. And I know this might ruffle some feathers but men defend their property with all that they have. Being a man’s property is a good thing, it’s your security. Too many White women today are still caught up in pseudo feminist ideals whether they realize it or not. This does not mean that a woman’s voice cannot be heard in a relationship, personally I like a strong intelligent woman whose opinion I can trust, but ultimately whatever decision I make I expect her to support me without complaining. No healthy heterosexual relationship can survive if the power balance is in favour of the woman or even equal. The patriarchy is good. Embrace tradition. This used to be normal but because of feminist conditioning women are going to have to work very hard at returning to this paradigm, which is where peace and contentment exist.

[Anonymous]

The replies that came before me said it well enough that there’s not much I can add.

@Gonzalo mentioned everyone having both a feminine/masculine, and @DaintyLady brought up Macron vs Le Pen. Both of those examples reminded me of my cousin and her husband. He is quite mentally effeminate and she is very bossy and domineering. She is the man in that relationship. I think scenarios like that happen sometimes and always have throughout human history, but it is not the norm and it is not a good or healthy arrangement for a civilization to be based on.

Furthermore, denying gender and pushing the asexual agenda is just a refusal to see reality and instead only see what one wants to see. This wraps into the whole tranny issue. The feminists have denied gender roles for so long that they have shot themselves in the foot by creating the basis that empowers trannys – now there is no sacred feminine and anybody can be feminine, and if you refuse to let a deranged man compete in your women’s sporting event then you are evil.

Feminism and women’s suffrage were terrible for women:
“Don’t serve your children and husband, instead be a slave to strangers and corporations! It’s a much more rewarding life, because you can drink wine and travel.”

[Anonymous]

I don’t usually like to say things that will obviously trigger someone, but the last few months I am tired of society always bullying men. What is a “phallocentric patriarcy[sic]”? How is it different from a vago-centric patriachy? These are just weasel words trying to masquerade as “educated observations.” The last few months have made me realize men tamed this world not women. Is it good for society for women to have a say? Or is this just to satisfy your needs. The data seems to suggest this world would be better if only land owning white men had a say. that is the problem do you want the right results by letting men rule or do you want to feel included and get the result we have now?

[Anonymous]

I agree with DaintyLady as well, “submit” may sound like a loaded term. There is a reason that certain jobs and career paths are dominated by one gender and not the other. And that reason is… biology. The hormones cause the brain to be wired in such a way that it is more efficient in doing certain tasks than the other party. Unfortunately, (((The Cultural Marxists))) would have us brain-polluted to think that saying this is somehow “sexist” or “mysogynistic”.

To answer the original question more thoroughly: it depends on where the man’s loyalties are. If the man is a traitor, or does not serve the greater good, then no, the woman should not “submit” or cooperate with him in any way. I think the question of loyalties transcends the gender question.

[Anonymous]

I agree with DaintyLady 100%.

[DaintyLady]

Edit: I meant to type “phallocentric,” not “pallocentric,” but the system isn’t letting me edit my post.

[DaintyLady]

I think whenever people talk about one party submitting to the other, that’s divisive language because it implies that one party is better than or more important than the other. And that’s why we have such an adversarial relationship overall nowadays between men and women because nobody likes to hear that the other party is better than them or more important than them. I suggest thinking of it in terms of jobs. Women are generally better at one kind of job, and men are generally better at another kind of job. Neither one is more important than the other, and together they can cooperate to perpetuate their kind. For example, a woman can do very well in the corporate world and earn a high salary, and the man can stay at home with the kids, but from what I’ve seen in my personal experience, what happens is the man does not do all the work that a housewife would normally do, so the woman comes home tired from her high-powered job and still has to do the dishes, the laundry, etc. And the end result is she has 0-2 kids. And that’s fine if you don’t want to have many kids, but if you’re trying to increase the population of your race, it works better for the man to have the high-powered job and the woman to be the housewife because you’ll have more kids that way. That doesn’t mean that the man is better because he has the high-powered job. Neither job is better than the other, neither the man nor the woman is better than the other, and both are necessary if you want to raise healthy and well-adjusted kids.

So in the context of the family, you could have situations where the man defers to the woman when it comes to decisions related to her job (housewife) and the woman defers to the man when it comes to decisions related to his job (being the breadwinner). In the context of politics, yes, I think in general that should be the men’s job, but in today’s world we have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Merkel is a woman, and she’s ruining Europe. But in France, Macron, a man, is terrible (because he has been facilitating the Islamization of France), and France would have been better off with Le Pen, a woman. And Gonzalo, you make interesting points, but if you’re saying that politics should always be pallocentric, I wouldn’t use Islam to argue your point because Islam is one of the worst systems imaginable and IMO one of the greatest dangers to the Western world.

[Anonymous]

@WhiteErmine

Being submissive to your husband is not just a personality trait (I am not a submissive person either), it is A CHOICE, a lifestyle, a relationship pattern, an agreement.

And it’s natural, and the right thing to do.

I was very rebellious as a teenager, I didn’t even want to get married but after I converted to Christianity, God has started the process of healing me and repairing the image of marriage I had.

Maybe you have a misconception of what it is; being a submissive wife doesn’t mean that you are a slave and have ask for permission to breathe, eat or use the toilet. It just means that in many areas of life it’s the man who decides although it doesn’t mean that you cannot discuss it with him or ask him for modifications.

[Anonymous]

Despite the pragmatic approach to this topic, I think that one should try to present the universal before the particular.
When talking about masculine and feminine, ideally taking it away from the merely human experience, into the most general and universal aspect, one finds that masculinity and its associated symbols usually get an active, directing and dominating aspect to them. These characteristics are present in everything and everyone (even the most feminine woman should have some of these traits when isolated from the system in which her feminine aspect is most valued, otherwise she just can’t stay alive) in every level, be it personal, familiar, societal and even eco-systematically. But when you can “relegate” these tasks to another with whom you form a unity, and everyone does that at which it excels by nature, you become something bigger than the sum of the parts. That’s why people marry and form a family, because a man, relegating his feminine needs and occupations to his wife, and a women relegating her masculine needs and occupations to her husband, get a clearer path to take care of their physical and spiritual masculine/feminine duties. In societies this goes even further with subdivisions of the tasks.
In a balanced society, everyone performs that role that comes most efficiently to it: in a balanced tribe women take care of the feminine tasks, while men perform the masculine tasks. Women nurture, educate in the early stage, micromanage the home, preserve the traditions/relics/fire (whatever you want to call the background cultural aspects of a tribe) while men fight, work the soil, hunt, macromanage (politics), perform the rites, defend the future of the tribe.
Landing the subject on the particular context asked, in a higher social level, speaking of politics, yes, I think women should submit to the decisions of men. But that’s just on the public level, because in this same society women should have a strong say and command on the affairs of the house and family.
Politics should always be phallocentric, but that doesn’t mean that the whole of society should be so, and for practical purposes, there has never been a wholly phallocentric system as far as I’m aware (Islamic countries are close, but still not completely there), because women get to participate in it one way or another. Politics tend to be the most visible face of a culture, and that may explain some misconceptions about the prevalence of phallocentrism, while household traditions and familiar structures tend to go to the backstage of the historic analysis. Just see how easily our European history has been subverted in these fundamental points, and rampant lies circulate about the alleged brutality of the folkish everyday life, their moral libertinage, etc.

[Anonymous]

I agree, the woman would do well as an advisor. When making important decisions, it’s good to have a second opinion.

[ItsNatural]

I think both are good.

[Anonymous]

I am not a typically submissive woman: I think a couple should be a team and that the woman should be a kind of second-in-command to the man.
But many pro-white people obviously disagree with me. Thet believe that authority should always pass from man to his brother, father or son. That leaves the woman and her voice out of the equation.
What do you believe about these attitudes?

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