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@Leo

I am free to think as I do because of the sacrifices of those who came before, and those same sacrifices of my kin allow you to do the same.

Leo, some of the things you comment about on WD I agree with. Some of the things you comment about on WD I already know. Some of the things you comment about on WD I did not know. I have a certain degree of respect for you. However, please refrain from straw-manning my position.
1. I’m not suggesting an equivalency between all marriages, or all things labeled as marriage.
2. I’m not here to guilt you, but I am pointing out what I perceive as a shortcoming in your decision making.
3. My position is data driven.
-> https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-sexual-history-affect-marital-happiness
-> https://attheu.utah.edu/facultystaff/premarital-sex-and-divorce/
4. My position is also observationally driven.

Brief Discussion

The number of sexual partners appears to be associated with the likelihood of divorce. As the number of partners increases, the likelihood of divorce appears to increase. These studies are not inherently predictive towards outcomes for all people in all situations. Of course, life is more complicated and multi-varied than is necessarily capture by the studies. The purpose of reviewing singular variables as they associate with outcomes is to observe that there is a meaningful non-zero relationship between the input and the output. All this despite confounding variables that also play a roll.

Life occurs according to a certain graduation or gaussian distribution. A disease that kills one person may not kill another, for any variety of factors. Some factors may result in one persons death. Other factors may result in another’s survival. These confounding factors do not in and of themselves imply that the disease is nontrivial. That is to say, deviation from the mean around a gaussian curve does not in and of itself disprove the gaussian distribution or trend at hand. Rather, it merely shows that things vary in life.

You also mention waiting until after sex before sharing personal details about your life perspective. That seems morally questionable to me and undermines your central position; that premarital sex hasn’t been negative for other people you know so observationally there isn’t anything wrong with it. It sounds a bit like you are using sex hormones’ as a tool to short circuit the other person into being more willing to agree with you.

In conclusion, the fact that pre-martial sex did not yield (apparent) negative outcomes for people in your life does not prove that the validity of that behavior. Moreover, you do not know the path not taken by your relatives to do a comparative analysis. Further, the sources I have cited indicate the opposite of your assertion. Also, the ability or willingness to delay gratification has also been shown to relate to likelihood of success.

An afterword: I have witnessed many people in my life engage in premarital sex only to later get divorced. Does that make my life experience valid and yours invalid? Does that make your life experience valid and mine invalid? Your vantage point is not long and wide enough to know for sure, and neither is mine. That is why we can look at the aggregate statistics to see broad societal outcomes.

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@Hunter

I’m not here to cross wires with you, but I have two cents to put in.

People are going to disagree. I think people are WD are more likely to disagree than people in the aggregate population. We are willing to go against the grain of broader society so we are likely willing to go against the grains of one another as well.

You are welcome to leave WD if you want, that is your choice. Aster is allowed to have and express her views just as you are yours. Respectfully, I suggest you accept that you two disagree and that you view things differently than the women here in general.

best
-Dude

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@Leo

You mention not discussing certain topics with a partner until after you’ve secured regular intimacy. It’s your decision to do what you wish, but it seems ironic that you engage in this behavior.

Our culture is degrading. One of the virtues of a ‘stronger’ culture is refraining from intimacy or cohabitation until after marriage. There are a number of studies, here is one I found with a few minute search. It isn’t the strongest study, as the method of data collection seems weak. However there are many in this vein and I think the broader foundation can be confirmed. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5956907/

You mention the degradation of our society. Perhaps you should reconsider your behavior in this area. Respectfully, the broader data indicates you are hurting yourself psychologically and quite likely the women you date by sleeping with them before marriage. This might be a shortcut hack, allowing you to get what you want or shift things in your perceived direction. But ultimately, this doesn’t leave a better overall society and culture. Your behavior also increases the likelihood of divorce for the men these women end up marrying… Whether that man is you or someone else. It also increases the likelihood of divorce for the woman you end up marrying… Please reconsider this no-win behavior.

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@ergo, I was under the impression that the owner used Indian developers because no wester developers would help. Where did you hear that she went that route for cost?

[Dude]

“Im a movement guy though, I know most people are not always out there doing this kind of stuff. It’s not expected.”

@Sebastian – We need people who will build the movement. Its important. We need to have the point men (and women) who are comfortable taking the heat to help bring people together. I don’t know how to support your efforts, or what your efforts all entail but please continue.

I’d be curious to know more as well.

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@Sebastian

I have noticed something similar.

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@Leo

The Anglo-Saxon British are indeed descendants of the Germanic peoples. However, they seem to have successfully crippled their brethren. A lasting wound at least.

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@Leo

Unfortunately, the mental biasing has been going on for a long time in the West. It wouldn’t matter what the dominant religion is, outside forces would try to co-opt themselves into controlling it. We also don’t really teach history, so people are easy prey. Unfortunately.

Perhaps ask her questions. One question could be about not making false idols out of people, such as middle easterners. Another question could be whether these people believe in Christ? If they reject Christ, then why follow them?

Christians like myself find it strange to make idols out of mortals. Further to idolize a people whos defining group religious identity involves rejecting Jesus, the centre of Christianity. I would stress that point in the form of questions. Questions that stop and make her think. Christianity doesn’t put people on pedestals, much less co-opt one civilization to serve another. Christians believe that the only king is Christ. No one else. Where does it say that anyone else is to rule? Much less someone simply because of their middle eastern descent.

Leo, it sounds to me like you are trying to speak to your cousin from your reference point of understanding. You should try to speak to her from her reference point of understanding. For whatever reason, through whatever mechanisms, these foreign groups have made residency in Western civilization. While this may be obvious to you and me, the biasing is strong for a lot of people. Its hard to get people to stretch outside their norms.

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@Aster and Tony – I know a lot of Germans who gave up their heritage to blend in after / during the world wars. Your thinking sounds accurate, Germans seemed willing to dovetail under the Anglo flag. There in that said, I’ve noticed a significant difference between German lineages that came before and those that came after WWII.

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@Wakstar

I notice that some groups came to Canada with enough numbers, and willingness, to form isolated communities. For instance, Hutterites, Amish and Mennonites. Unfortunately, many did not aim to do the same. I do think that creating colonies should have been a bigger goal for the Germanics. With more people in the seed group than there were. The British kind of went everywhere, and set something up (for better or worse) anywhere they could get away with it. By contrast, where did the Germanics setup? Argentina? Germany got crushed and then what? Germany didn’t have the whole world to pull on like Britain did.

Before you mentioned it, I have noticed for a while the benefits to having a group. I suspect as you suggest that the healthiest offspring in aggregate are between healthy members of the same group. Likely those within that group with compatible traits. Anyways, a long discussion in and of itself.

We can talk about the mistakes that were made, and fair enough. I’m curious to brainstorm solutions going forwards…

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@Aster and @Loe

I am also curious about the DNA testing details Leo brought up. I have been hesitant about DNA testing, because I don’t think I could trust the people doing the testing. Is there anyone skilled in this area? Perhaps we can setup our own private testing.

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I hear what you are saying… I still don’t like it, I tend to find true Germanic features different than most other European ethnic groups. Anyways, I digress.

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@suprematist_Bookworm

I understand that at least 3 million Germany women were gang raped between 1945 and 1949. I suspect the true numbers are higher. I have also seen some black and white video footage from before WWII. The German Ethnicity seems visually different from footage before WWII when compared to now, suggesting a shift in the Genome. I think a healthy section of the German ethnicity was killed off and then a lot of foreign DNA forcibly pushed in.

A lot of Germans also seem very conditioned when I talk to them.

For these reasons, and others, I suspect that a lot of Germans are not German. They are probably part German, and hopefully mostly German but I don’t think German exists like it once did. Not only because of modern “diversity” but also due to past atrocities committed against the Germans.

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@suprematist

I doubt that a lot of people born in Germany are German, given the events of WWII. Many might be part German, some might be pretending to be German, and so forth.

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@Leo – Send me a message, would you?

[Dude]

Interesting. This is concerning and revealing.

What a selfish thing. Such tilting causes a knock on wood effect – impacting both the individual caught up in the app and a potential suitable mate who they could otherwise have found – both are deprived. Manipulative, and against any concept of playing fair or equal handedness. Even when admitting to it, no shame.

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@Leo – do me a favour and send me a message?

[Dude]

Change will take time…

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Also, thank you for everyone’s responses so far. Agree or disagree. It is all food for thought, and helps me develop my own thinking on the subject matter.

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@John 1982

Sounds like the discussion is being framed as a bravery vs cowardice perspective; exposing one’s self is seen as a brave act and not exposing one’s self is seen as a cowardice act. Perhaps I missed your actual point, but that seems like what you are communicating.

I think there are other levels at play here worth analysis beyond the emotional first order.

@Leo

I hear what you are saying, and I agree. Wasting one another’s time is a concern, and attraction is important.

I guess I take the view of good boundaries make for good interactions with the world. Leaving my barn door wide open so that everyone can see what is inside seems concerning. It would be a good world to be able to leave one’s metaphorical doors open or unlocked, but I’m not sure we live in such a world. Moreover, I would assume that a website like WD would be a bit of a lightning rod for the so-called powers that be, borrowing your language as it were.

Also, there is healthy fear vs unhealthy fear. Fear can keep you alive…

Food for thought. It may take strong boundaries to to move one’s self into a position to make a difference. It may also be impractical for the individual to pseudo fight the system oneself. I notice a meaningful number of the interactions I read on the WD forum seem evident of atomization. Despite commonality of certain values here, I’m not sure we have a community that one can fall back on if needed. Perhaps I am wrong?

I appreciate your candor, even if I’m not sure I see the subject the same as you. I am also curious what women’s attitudes are on this.

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@Hunter

I guess my question for you, where would I go that isn’t falling the same path as Canada? Where is ‘better’ to be found?

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@John 1982

I’m referencing a story told to me by someone who moved from SA 30-40 years ago. I agree, that particular story isn’t necessarily exactly accurate anymore. However, the idea in general remains.

I read that militia are using police or military weapons to go after the Boer farmers in SA. Hard for me to confirm, but if true, it certainly gives me pause.

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@John 1982

I understand that a number of the ‘alt right’ big names have significant problems with air travel. In Canada, you can find yourself without a job. Or at least a job in your field, depending on the field.

What would big tech use your photo for? To develop a profile about you. To track you. To monitor you. I read an article a while ago that Facebook creates ghost profiles for people it thinks exist. I think this is based in part on image recognition. Find yourself in a photo uploaded to Facebook, and Facebook might build a ghost profile for you if you don’t already match a profile in their system.

Even if the concern today is low, what about tomorrow?

I’m not saying people shouldn’t put up profile pictures, but I’m trying to tease out perspectives.

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I believe the creator of discord was previously sued for selling user data on some previous platform he had made. I believe he skated free from that…

[Dude]

Perhaps surrogacy as a last resort?

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@John 1982

I have heard of ambush crime events in South Africa. For example, don’t go searching for sounds of a crying baby. The child is already dead, and what awaits you is merely a recording held by unpleasant people. I’m surprised you went to such a place in the first place. Even skilled, a surprise horde could be problematic.

My curiosity is this, how did you come to scope this out without compromising your safety? I understand if you do not want to share.

The risk of going there hardly seems worth it.

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Bill Warner has a set of books on the subject matter – particularly on his website “politicalislam.com”. I don’t know is this is the sort of thing you are looking for, but it sounds like it might be in alignment with what has already been mentioned.

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@TrueSunMan

It also seems like people splinter in different ideological directions. I understand this, but it makes finding common ground difficult. Particularly with certain behavioral demeaners. I don’t have a good answer on how to unite people into the same direction. I feel like minimum threshold size is necessary to help create enough of a pocket of similar enough people. Once that is established, then people within that pocket can find one another.

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@Paul

” the leftist ideology has crept in many White female lives in some way” – I would take that statement a bit farther. The leftist propaganda seems to have become the default female perspective, in many ways. It doesn’t seem to be a matter of if, it seems to be a matter of how much. At least where I am.

[Dude]

Further, if Shaughnessy has data or resources to support genetic health optimization of the union of 3rd cousins – do we know the health penalty of the inverse? I would be curious to know the nature and the sharpness of the curve.

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@Administrator

I’m not implying an equivalency. Nor do I think that am I confused about Race and Ethnicity. Shaughnessy suggested that the separate tribal African groups are almost like separate races; mixing between separate African tribal groups would suffer negative health effects similar to race intermixing. I’m extending that assertion. Borrowing the idea that the separate African tribal groups are like their own racial groups, does that make some of the European ethnicities like their own racial group. For example, my understanding is that the Irish are about 10’000 years removed from the rest of the European ethnicities. I was curious if Shaughnessy had any data or other resources to suggest the health outcomes of such intermixing between distant European groups.

I am familiar with Thuletide, though I haven’t read every article. Thanks.

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@Shaughnessy (why does your name say “spectator” underneath?)

I think I’ll need to reread through your comments. I feel as though I’m reading through a paper. As an aside, I don’t always have time to read through some of these extensive forum posts, so I selfishly ask for a condensed point summary. Particularly because a lot of what you are saying is very dense, and have a number of facets. Perhaps I am just being unreasonably lazy. Also, your use of language. I know what you mean but I’m not necessarily familiar with every word you use… Not criticizing. Just observing.

Part of your overall thesis seems to suggest a cyclical ebb and flow pathway, where things will work themselves out by natural mechanisms. I’m not sure if I am in agreement with your overall suggestion. Once things are mixed, can they really become unmixed? Yes, selection can increase or reduce certain genes in the population. However, that occurs over an unreasonably long timescale. I think the rate of mixing greatly exceeds the rate of reduction.

Are there any sources that outline the negatives of mixing? I know what you are talking about with regards to immune system compatibility and organ transplants. But I know these things because of different readings I have done over a long period of time. How would I ever convince or show someone else? I don’t even have a resource list of all of the things I have read, let alone to be able to show someone else.

Pursuant to your comment about different african ‘races’, what do you think of European ‘races’? I agree with third cousins, I have other sources that suggest similarly. However, finding such third cousins and the like can be difficult if not impractical. Can European Races intermix? To what degree? I imagine there are similar mixing risks between European subgroups as there is mixing different african subgroups?

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@Ralf

I think I’m missing something in this whole conversation – but I don’t have time to read the lengthy posts from top to bottom.

Ralf, I looked at your profile in the past, and I thought it was good. I know mine could use work. I was thinking about analyzing yours and seeing what I can do with mine, to be honest. I guess I’m not surprised to hear it is yielding the desired response for you.

I guess I have an aside train of thought. You are more in the philosophy field? That suggests you are more in the direction of language and likewise than average. By contrast, I may be the opposite. People like me are required by societies to function. However, people like me may not be as able to present as nice an advertising front end. Further, how does a society properly reward ability even if that ability doesn’t translate into well crafted diction? In this case, reward is meant in the biological sense. A thought I’ve had for a while…

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@Shaughnessy

Point: The K selective strategy only works when they remain a cohesive group. If the K-selective genes get pushed aside, or have to compete for the same resources against R-selective peoples – particularly with the taxation funding going on now – it means the people who believe in saving get punished for doing so while the people who don’t believe in saving get rewarded.

(I think this point is captured in your posts, but I thought I would re-iterate it)

Thought: You have summarized the situation well. I may have missed it, but what do you think the forward looking solutions are?

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@PrometheanFlamed

I have heard similar criticisms of Christianity before. Like you say, I wonder how true in the pages of history these criticism are. Christian doctrine does not support convert or die philosophy – but Ottoman doctrine does. As an example, my understanding of the Christianization of the Nordics is this: One of the Norse gods was said to live in a particular tree – which a Christian missionary promptly cut down. He said, if the Norse god was infact a god, let him defend his tree. Nothing happened. People converted to Christianity. Am I correct? Are you? Are neither of us correct? Further sources are likely needed to resolve this topic. Also lies the problem of source accuracy / validity.

As an added point, do modern pagans actually believe in paganism or is it a reaction to Christianity? I have a hard time imagining someone taking Mount Olympus seriously (for example).

Depends what witchery we are talking about. Witchery post Ottoman invasion has had a middle eastern / arabic origin or influence. All of the southern European countries were conquered or almost conquered. The Nordic countries may be some of the few that escaped subjugation. Are pre-Ottoman pagan rituals actually witchery in the sense we think about witchery today?

A good source on the subject of the crusades and witchery is Bill Warner. His stuff should still come up with a little searching.

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@PrometheanFlame

Points of clarification.
1. The Crusades were a defensive war due to Ottoman (Islamic) conquest and enslavement of ~10 – 60 million Europeans. Not specifically a war against Pagans. I think at some point, anything that wasn’t clear and distinct Christianity became suspect. Remember, Europe was fighting for its very existence for 300-600 years…

2. Witchery came to Europe through Spain. The Ottoman’s believed, at least in part, in magic. The Spanish came into contact with witchery rituals over a several hundred year period. Conquered, subjugated and enslaved by Ottomans, they observed and quite likely took part in such things. I can’t comment on pagan rituals, but witch hunts were, at least in part, a reaction and attempt to extinguish those who practiced such foreign Ottoman practices.

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As an aside question here – my understanding is that women tend to be higher in trait agreeableness, which is in part a desire to maintain a homeostasis in the social environment. To keep the waters smooth as it were. My observation is that people high in trait agreeableness tend to take a point of disagreement more personally. Perhaps the term ‘personally’ isn’t quite the right characterization. However, I have seen points of disagreement be interpreted as an argument by individuals who seem higher in trait agreeableness…

I generally don’t have an issue diving into most subjects, even ones about or relating to myself. I’m curious though, if women are higher in trait agreeableness, and you @MaryBloody are a women, are you taking this conversation very personally? To that effect, I don’t read Ralf’s comments the same way you seem to be, @MaryBloody. How do you perceive them?

I can’t comment as to what people privately message, only to what has been publicly posted here.

Also – Happy New Years to everyone!

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@WillOfEuropa – I haven’t really noticed many Christian women on WD. Are these women you mention indicating or not indicating their religious views on their profile?

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@Ralf

”
Instead what I meant was traits like empathy, consideration, gentleness – in essence, a willingness to consider the thoughts and feelings of others, rather than viewing these people merely as a resource to be obtained.
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Disconcerting… Your framing is apt, and I’m disappointed to hear this.

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Also, the absence of things like arrogance and/or inflated self-worth – i.e. a general refusal to recognize one’s flaws and work to rid oneself of them, as people like this do not improve and tend to blame others for their shortcomings.
”

Good point.

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Without going into too much detail on the matter to keep my post concise, I believe the underlying issue to be the unwillingness to ‘bend’ as you touched on – that is, an aversion to sacrifice one’s own interests on some occasions, as is required in any functional relationship – whether it be with an individual or a society.
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I guess I didn’t mean ‘bend’ quite like that, but where you are taking the topic makes sense.

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@Ralf – Disappointing to hear. I suspect an inherent problem beyond a lack of women on WD is the wide variability on views that lead people here.

For most people near the political and societal middle, most people they meet could be a partner. For us here, we are not near the middle in the first place. Moreover, just because we are all here doesn’t mean that the men and women here have sufficiently compatible views/values/etc for a relationship. The things that led us here also seem to have created a wide chasm of values/views/etc between us, despite things we may and do have in common. Further still, I suspect the people on WD are high in trait disagreeableness. We think for ourselves and are unlikely to bend. Being willing to bend might, in part, be required for relationship success. Though it is probably far superior to find someone with whom you do not have to bend to in the first place – and can talk through differences with instead.

A better route to success may be analogous to what Benito mentioned.

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I got a couple of replies, nothing more.

[Dude]

Bruce, Just get a prepaid credit card…

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@Greys

I agree with you, but is it wise to apply pressure right off the bat? People will resist pressure simply because they can. Regardless of the specifics, I agree with your sentiment.

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@Ted

I tend to agree with you – the war in Ukraine suggests that people are not willing to get involved unless it somehow directly involves them. Hand washing didn’t become more normal until the woo-flu could impact them. I’m sure there are other examples.

One benefit to not picking outright enemies with certain groups is they are less inclined to take steps against you. Or so I would suspect. That doesn’t mean you have to like them, or go along with their views though.

what do you define as being forgiveness in this context?

Further question is – does it matter whether you forgive them or not? A proper parallel society does not require forgiveness or not forgiveness of that which it is parallel to. It sets up separately, and is otherwise indifferent to the out-group. Am I mistaken?

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@Greys

I agree with you. My point is slightly more than I wrote though. Those who will self deport should be encouraged to self deport. Then there will be more resources available to spend on those who do not self deport. I believe Greece is or was doing something along these lines, encouraging the immigrants / refugees to take some sort of business program. Then, they are given a starting amount and sent home. It ended up saving Greece a certain amount of money for every person who chose to take the program.

Yes, Israel is successful because they ignore others to achieve their goals. This is true.

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Also – encouraging and setting up systems for self-deportation is probably the best approach in my opinion. Saves you the trouble of doing it by force and all the issues that go along with that.

However, Israel seems to have been successful at forced deporation….

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@FacingtheSun

OkCupid – didn’t they do some sort of international dating thing? Full of Filipinos and such. Also – what do you mean by “full 1488”? Also – further curiousity. Was this individual you met open to pro white thinking? Its none of my business, but my general observation is that women tend to more readily reject such things. Perhaps due to it going against emotional sensibilities?

@WelshmanNorman

I was thinking, scarcity and adversity in childhood might be necessary to flip on certain genes. I would like to think it is possible to provide artificial scarcity to children in an apparent utopia in order to invoke such genes and formation in children. Perhaps that is an adversity in and of itself – to be willing to place yourself in a cold shower even if you could set the water nice and warm? Anyways, I digress from the topic of this thread.

I would think that given enough time, we could network within our own group to help find partners for one another. However, it seems that that idea might be farther away then would be realistic for myself.

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@Ted

Some random thoughts regarding the US system and foreigners

The system of freedom works (or could work) provided the rules are set for the right play. With our current system, the ‘freedom’ given seems to provide leeway for bad behavior from those who don’t value the system or its people in the first place. Our election cycle is also too short. So on the one hand, I want freedom but on the other how do we have freedom while retaining an element that sees and acts farther forwards then 4 year election cycles…

Ultimately, all of these topics are nice but… How do we translate from theory and discussion to some sort of meaningful result? Though I suspect such a meaningful result would in and of itself take one or more generations.

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@Ted_G

I couldn’t find Stefan’s comments either. I looked a few years ago, spent several hours looking. He has 6000+ videos (?), and it was smooshed in the middle of a video about other topics. About immigration or migration or somesuch. A bit of a needle in a haystack. Perhaps if his videos were transcribed, or if his videos had better text summaries… which they aren’t and don’t, respectively

I can show you the data I’ve looked at, but I’d actually like to review it in more detail first. When I get through it again, lets exchange data. Sounds like you’ve taken the topic farther then I did, Id be curious to see your analysis. I don’t think the data I’ve looked at has enough granularity for correlation analysis though. So even if it indicates what I think, it probably isn’t rigorous enough to be conclusive.

I agree with you, the difference isn’t huge. However, if mixing yields worse results (even mild) I would take that as evidence against mixing in and of itself. IE, health of the next generation – putting all other preservation ideals aside.

Anyways, you have added to my curiosity on this subject!

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@Tradiman

Its almost like a family consisting of Asian, African, Native, and Oceanic members isn’t normal or something…

Anyways, I guess I should keep my dry humour to myself. Doesn’t convey well by internet.

[Dude]

Anyways, I digress on my comments about IQ.

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@Ted_G

Stefan Molyneux provided some summary statistics of mixed race health data, suggesting (mildly) higher rates in just about every illness category for mixed race individuals in comparison to non-mixed race. I have done some looking and what I found supports Stefan Molyneux’s commentary more then yours. I’m not saying you are wrong, but I do think the subject requires a more conclusive review for me to be convinced either way.

Also, I agree with your comment on IQ. However, I’m wary of IQ being the defining line in and of itself. Modern elites have high IQ, but that doesn’t always seem to translate into the solution of societal problems – but rather the creation of societal problems for their own benefit. I don’t want to force or destroy the working class in favour of a perfect IQ driven people.

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@WelshmanNorman

An IQ of 170? Colour me surprised. Such an IQ is incredibly statistically unlikely.

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@WelshmanNorman

Hmm, I’ve heard conflicting things. One thing I’ve heard is that IQ is conserved from generation to generation within a gene pool. That on average, the average IQ of a child is the average of the IQ of the parents, within a gene pool. Which is to suggest, smart parents are more likely to have smart children. However, I can see your point. Which is why a healthy gene pool is important, so that such regression to the mean doesn’t have to result in falling too far. On the other hand, I have heard the idea that there is high variance of IQ within families – but the people I have seen present that idea don’t present much data to their point. It usually seems to be a statement of opinion then fact.

I have met German-Scottish hybrids. I assume that is similar to German – Celtic? Interesting combo. I also note that Northern UK people are genetically related to Northern German and Scandinavians – according to Thuletide. Perhaps not related in a recent Germanic tribe sense. But related in a North of the Ice Shelf sense.

I guess when I say Hybridization, I mean between racial groups. Not within racial groups. I don’t know what to think of hybridization between Caucasian ethnic groups. Is it good? Is it bad? In what time scale would it be good or bad? etc.

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@Ted_G

It is also my understanding that IQ doesn’t average between the founding racial groups of a hybridized individual. Rather, IQ is lost into the hybridized individual. Something more like (Group A + Group B) / 2 – 5 = AVG IQ of hybridized individuals. However, digging that up and or studying to confirm would be a hard task.

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@Hunter

Some of the Swedish women seem to be marrying off to the foreigners willingly.

Anyways, some dry humor on my part.

[Dude]

@Hunter – I think your message got mushed across different forum groups… I see the same point in the “Double Standards” forum

[Dude]

@Ted_G

Well, I haven’t had the chance to double check what I had read on Portugal in the past. My information could be in error, but that was my understanding when I read about it in the past – 10% African. Not including any Arab genes.

I see what you are saying. I don’t know. On the one hand, you want to be able to draw on enough people that you can achieve a meaningful group size (ie, avoid population collapse). On the other hand, you water down your genes by widening the window too much.

I would agree with your thought of a Eugenics program – but a voluntary program and possibly not as extreme as those seen in the past. For example, perhaps higher IQ families are encouraged to have an additional child. Or perhaps higher hybridization families are encouraged or incentivized to have one fewer children.

I also have the concern of using IQ as the dividing line. I know plenty of smart people who can’t think their way out of a paper bag, as the saying goes. I would also argue that some racial groups have high IQ’s but their IQ doesn’t seem to equate to long term planning or perhaps a well rounded thinking style. Regardless of the specifics, I see what you are saying. Even if IQ isn’t the specific dividing line, a dividing line in that general direction could be applied for sure.

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@Hunter

Identify as a refuge with a special book in hand. Then, I hear you can have as many wives as you want in Sweden… Or was it Germany?

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@Tradiman

So far as your population statistics go. Have you accounted for M/F ratios across the age range. Men tend to die off faster, so I would imagine the ratio would skew towards women. Particularly towards older ages.

I would be hesitant to get behind the polygamy train. I have thought though, that in a proper self protecting society, perhaps there could be agreed upon implantation. For example, a particularly high IQ individual from the past is chosen by some random or non random selection method. Then, a vault of their genetic material goes towards an embryo. Finally, a consenting women is chosen or volunteers to bring that child to term.

Essentially genetic polygamy without the relational polygamy.

[Dude]

@Hunter – I think that anti-white sentiment has infiltrated society as a whole. Including the churches. I can’t comment on what people are like where you are, but I find atheist types very brainwashed as well. Is it really productive to suggest that a church setup is for Sheeple?

Regardless, a million unique flowers sure. However, a worked out or successful template that people can draw on would be helpful to iron out…

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@Ted_G

I understand that Portugal is 10% African by DNA content. Liberation of the African slaves then mixing with the locals. I’m also given to understand that Portugal has some of the highest rates of illiteracy, and lowest average IQ in Europe. Perhaps putting aside modern mass migration populations. With an already naturally tan skin, you may barely tell on the outside. However, this 1/10 intermixing has resulted in a measurable degradation to the local population.

I would be hesitant to accept a 3/4, 7/8, etc ratio as standard policy.

[Dude]

I agree with Jason. I never thought that way in the past, but I think you can convince people or change their mind over time – particularly if done carefully and respectfully.

Best.

[Dude]

I guess a question is, how would one amass enough people and resources together to setup such a state? Legal and planning would be difficult, let alone finding the right people for buy in. Also, the values / views / etc from the WD and Alt-white community seem to vary so widely that finding enough people with the right commonality seems… impractical…

I believe I read a comment from someone on here about setting up something akin to modified Mennonite enclaves? I guess that is also in the direction of what I am thinking.

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WelshmanNorman, not to pry but where is there not anti-white legislation these days?

[Dude]

I think a solution to a preserve heritage is a micro-state like in that white town in South Africa (the name escapes me) – where all the people buy into the ideals, values and property of the state. The state is actually owned by a governing force bound (somehow) to never allow the sale of land (etc) to outsiders. The people must marry within the state, or likewise states, to retain their citizenship to the state. Failing to do so results in a loss of citizenship, thereby ensuring that all those who remain maintain their heritage. Those who want to leave can do so but outsiders cannot come because the land will never be sold on an open market.

[Dude]

I’ve heard that Hitler was 1/4 Jewish, but have not had the chance to confirm this point. If this is true, I wonder if the type of in-group preferential behavior exhibited by Hitler was more of a middle eastern phenotypical behavior rather then a European phenotypical behavior. As it was, other Germans at the time had proposed simply deporting the people they didn’t like. I don’t think it is common in Caucasian behavior to engage in total extermination. After all, if such a behavior were common then how could there be so many different Caucasian phenotypes? By contrast, I don’t think that middle eastern DNA has the same wide variety. A narrow genetic variation could (in part) be the result of group domination to the point of extermination. Then, another group dominates. And so forth, slowly eroding down the variance within the population.

Ultimately, I’m skeptical of Hitler. As a forestatement, I’m not fully knowledgeable about WWII as I’d like. However, my understanding of Hitler’s tactics was that he was bleeding Germany with poor decisions. Large tanks. Too large to be useful. Large gun emplacements. Easy to disable. Easy to spot. Too large to be useful. He had them making bombers when they really needed fighter planes. And on and on. I don’t know if Germany’s successes in WWII were because of him. I think they were due to forethought by a generation of planners before him who laid out how to conquer France, etc. His group simply acted out these plans. Am I wrong?

[Dude]

The idea of self preservation into the future seems unthinkable to many. I don’t really understand why – I’m surprised that external programming so strongly works on what I would think would be an internal drive.

I think that WWII broke the idea or willingness of Caucasian nations having the right to be Caucasian.

[Dude]

As a complimentary thought – it was events like those that have and are occurring in South Africa that have lead me to being ‘racially aware’. (borrowing your language and terminology)

[Dude]

Mister CSSdixieland,

I guess I should amend my original statement. The value set that forms my faith system inherently supports preservation of my own heritage. So, I would suggest that the separation of religion from my ‘racial consciousness’ would undermine my ‘racial consciousness’.

Also, the Boer farmer may live out his faith without going to Church. The later does not demand the former. The meek with remain, but that does not imply being weak. Rather, knowing when to fight and when not to. Knowing how to run the race so as to win.

I understand what you are saying. It also feels like you are trying to place a moat between racial awareness and one’s religion (whatever that might be) – that one needs to be set aside for the other. I don’t know if you can or should divorce a person’s religion from their value set.

Moreover to clarify, please don’t think that I am requiring others to fight for my values. Though neither am I hiding my values.

[Dude]

@Hunter – why do you say that one must place being pro-White ahead of their religion?

I would argue as a Christian that to love others is to first love thyself. To love thyself is to want thine own self to exist in the future – ie, children of your own kind. This view places religion first, but put wanting one’s own kin group to exist a close second.

I can understand your desire to put preservation first though.

[Dude]

Hard to say. On the one hand, there is everything build by our ancestors. On the other, that same everything is being used to dismantle itself.

I think its a critical mass problem. Within a city, people are spread out. Not necessarily geographically, but socially. I think it is uncommon for likeminded ethnonationalist types to meet. Even if they do meet, will they feel comfortable sharing their views? Thus, without enough critical mass you can’t get enough people together to achieve change. Perhaps starting fresh with a micro-society would work better. A micro-society can self-select for likeminded people.

But as Hunter makes clear by his comments, a don’t think the White ethno-nationalists have a common mind on the subject. Moreover, the anti-Christian sentiment and shift towards paganism seems to be a reactionary action. At least in my opinion.

I don’t know what the solution is. Perhaps it will become clear in time.

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Alberta Bound…

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