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@Aster sure… They don’t have the time, database, or technology to specifically sequence everything. As I said they really only scan through for easily visible genetic markers and then cross reference those found in a customer’s DNA against a very shallow statistical set of modern populations. With that approach anything that doesn’t square off statistically can be termed “anomalous.” The cause may be the testing has insufficient data to reference, or that the individual may have statistically unusual elements (from ancient recessive traits mostly lost in the broader population, or very old gene flow from a different source than is statistically common) in their DNA, or that the results are showing a gene flow not otherwise being taken into account by the statistical modelling… the sky’s the limit. It almost certainly isn’t anything nefarious or disingenuous though- basically just a VERY broad range of human errors or limits on how accurate and detailed the test results can be with the resources available to the testing companies.

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Follow up^^^

It’s also well worth noting that many general market companies lack the dataset (or the desire) to go into detail explaining what percentages of similarity or dissimilarity can really mean. For example, they may tell you that your DNA is 75% similar to modern Dutch people, so you are 3/4 Dutch by ancestry. Okie doke, that isn’t a LIE, but it’s also misleadingly incomplete.

What they aren’t explaining is that each person’s DNA consists of BILLIONS of individually unique genetic sequences, which have all been mapped out and identified by scientists at the level of humans as a species, but the precise function and origin of each genetic sequence has not yet been identified. In other words, scientists have been able to sequence out and label all our genetic bits and pieces, but they aren’t yet 100% certain on what each bit and piece of our DNA actually does, or how they relate to each other in their incalculably diverse recombinations generation by generation, or precisely how & why certain genes remain unchanged for thousands of years but others spontaneously mutate or recombine in only a single generation. It’s all a very constantly evolving and improving picture, so drawing superficial conclusions can be misleading.

It’s also worth pointing out that we should keep in mind that the percentage of our DNA which diverges from one person to another, and from one ethnic population to another, is astronomically small. As in, modern Europeans are all almost genetically identical; they differ by a fraction of a fraction of 1% of their DNA. And that has been the case going back several thousand years to the introduction of the Neolithic/Chalcolithic Yamnaya, Bell Beaker, and Corded Ware populations that migrated into Europe from the Pontic Steppe. We can map their movements because they replaced and assimilated most of the previous populations, and leave a genetic as well as archaeological break from the previous several thousand years of evidence which *appears* to correlate with the arrival of the Indo-European languages. We also know that they remain the primary gene pool from which all subsequent European ethnicities and genetic data spring. But here again, we’re talking about a fraction of a fraction of 1% of an individual person’s DNA that diverges between a potential Bronze Age Proto-Celt in Iberia or the British Isles and a Proto-Slav or Proto-Germanic person from the North European plain. There’s a bigger difference between all of them and the previous populations of “Stone Age Hunter Gatherers” or “Early European Farmers” gradually replaced or assimilated by the newcomers, but even that is ultimately far far smaller than 1% of the entire individual DNA code.

All of which is to say that the general market companies just don’t have the time, inclination, or information to get THAT specific with their results, and to explain the mathematical and historical details. Who’s going to read that letter in 30 seconds and post the results on social media haha?

It’s also worth acknowledging for reference that yes, every single human currently alive is technically 98.8% genetically identical to a chimpanzee. Literally. This also helps explain why our ancestors were able to interbreed with hominids of other species, like Neanderthals and Denisovans, with whom we were over 99% genetically identical. The genetic differences between us as modern human beings and ethnic groups is THAT SMALL, and yet nonetheless very real. Again, this stuff just doesn’t make for a fast, superficial result letter to read.

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Is it technically possible to get deeply specific results down to less than 1% of the genome that allow for academic scientists to track and identify the ethnic origins of individuals and, consequently, whole populations across time and space? Yes. The Max Planck Institute, among numerous others, has demonstrated some exceptional work in these fields, and such studies are illuminating historical, linguistic, and archaeological work in ways unimagined even 20 years ago. It is, as @Aster noted, even possible to not only quantify the amount of an individual’s genome which is ultimately from Neanderthal (or Denisovan) origins, from a Paleolithic hominid species separate from (but related to) our own Homo sapiens sapiens, but also to specify the attributes affected in our makeup by that genetic contribution. Neanderthals, for example, appear to have disproportionately contributed to the successful evolution of the immune system in populations across Northern Asia and Europe. So we should maintain a cautiously optimistic, if studiously skeptical, mind towards the technology and results we read about being reported from major European and international research organizations.

However… the general market DNA ancestry companies? They lack the data, quantity of aDNA (ancient DNA) samples, technology and time to sequence entire genomes for each individual customer and then to analyze that information against a global aDNA database sequencing down to less than 1% results. Instead, they go by generalizations from the last 3-4 generations, and do statistical comparative modeling. Which is to say, if you pay them to identify your DNA they’ll run an extremely shallow sequencing of it which focuses on a handful of easily identifiable markers (like certain haplogroups connected to inheritance through the Y chromosome or the mitochondrial markers inherited through the maternal lines) which can be statistically compared to modern populations. So if your individual test pops up with several markers statistically common in modern German, Scandinavian, or “Northern European” populations from the last 3-4 generations they’ll tell you that, and then they calculate the percentage of your ancestry from that region based off the number of markers they find. It isn’t that it’s not at all accurate, it IS, but rather that it’s a very shallow and incomplete analysis so their results can be inaccurate intentionally or unintentionally.

By contrast, the really sophisticated scientific studies can sequence and track backwards across thousands of years, and illuminate the way Paleolithic, Neolithic, Chalcolithic, Bronze Age, Iron Age, and medieval populations moved, mixed, and evolved or died out.

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I’m also not going to explicitly say men who are outside of Europe should, or need to, go to Europe to find a wife… but I won’t argue that it’s becoming increasingly difficult to find white women who recognize and desire traditionally healthy identities and values in their lives and relationships. As a widower from an international relationship (I am American, she was French) it’s also hard for me to easily relate to many American women who have little or no international cultural and language experience… I spent many years in Europe (and the Arab world thanks to the US Army), so perhaps it’s easier for me to travel and contemplate romantic relationships with someone overseas for that reason also. Not sure. A lot of times it really just comes down to our personal willingness to grow, change, travel, and put in the time or effort to find and cultivate a truly healthy relationship. Too many people want a dream but are only willing to work for what they can find at Walmart or the local bar. :-/

@Aster jokes aside, it’s a valid point that Russian and Ukrainian women are flooding into international dating sites. Can you blame them? But men need to be very, very cautious about that because many of them are scammers or bots just looking to make money off foreign simps willing to pay them for photos, unfulfilled promises, and erotic conversations. Mind you, I also feel sad for the legitimate women desperately trying to find a healthy Prince Charming who also lives in a land NOT wartorn but who only encounter creepers, pervs, and trolling mouth breathers lacking social skills who use internet dating sites or chat boards to compensate for their inability to run a 5k, talk to a woman, or control their environment and success in real life.

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@Benito absolutely agree with you about the importance of white men who want to be healthy men, leaders, husbands, and fathers to begin by cultivating a healthy lifestyle. The self-discipline of a good diet, regular exercise, continued intellectual growth, and the practice of constructive communication skills is critical. Women, and our entire society, crave and require this in us but have forgotten what it looks like and stopped expecting it from us. We must lead, and lead by example.

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Speaking purely for myself, I have generally found that the biggest cause to people of European heritage losing their sense of identity and kinship has been the post-war rejection of traditional “Western” civilization, values, traditions, and identity. For centuries our ancestors, despite linguistic, nationalistic and political (even religious) differences shared a collective awareness of participating in (and promoting or protecting) Western civilization. From Scandinavia to Spain, Britain to the Balkans, and in their colonies across the oceans our ancestors shared a positive, healthy, constructive way of life that for all its regional variations was infinitely more unified than not. After World War II our societies began rejecting that collective identity… the hyper masculinity, militant nationalism, and moral vacuum of the Nazis triggered a collective recoil in which many of our peoples have, to use the English idiom, thrown out the baby with the bad bathwater. We have allowed our rejection of the excesses and errors of our ancestors, including the Nazi movement, to overshadow all that our ancestors did right for so many centuries across the whole of the Western world.

We desperately need to foster and encourage a POSITIVE, family oriented, physically, psychologically, socially, and spiritually healthy vision of our peoples returning to that shared Western civilization. We don’t need anger, or violence, or hostility, or criticism. Shrug our shoulders, wink, and move on when we encounter people relentlessly fixated on self-destructive ideologies or identity crises that become self-perpetuating rage spirals ending only in toxic whirlpools of individuals and communities killing themselves off slowly. We can, and should, DEMONSTRATE a healthier traditional lifestyle and identity, offering those who have lost their way and are dying in the darkness of collective dementia a light and a way home to their heritage. Healthy white families, living happy, healthy lives, growing in population peacefully and improving the prosperity of their communities as good neighbors, good citizens, and good people.

Our ancestors built a better world than we currently inhabit. The way back cannot be destructive, emotionally or physically. But it can be constructive, each of us reaching out a helping hand to one another and encouraging the return of our collective traditions and identity through demonstrated healthy, happy families and lives.

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As for me, I’m here looking to make connections with other folks who are passionate about their European history, culture, languages and heritage. I’m a heritage farmer and history is my lifestyle. It would be wonderful to also meet a woman who shares my love of languages, history, traditional family values, the organic lifestyle, good literature, faith, and travel.

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@Aster Pass on the poison, please, but I’d dearly enjoy hearing how you know. Asking for a friend. 😉

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